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United States in Iraq Poll: Leave or stay (pg. 4)
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| Fir3start3r |
| Abstain since my opinion isn't there... :p |
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| BadBadNeil |
| quote: | Originally posted by shaolin_Z
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Do other here honestly believe that the Iraqis want US military presence over there or the US install a new Goverment? Give me a ing break. |
Do you honestly believe they would rather be living under Saddam Hussein?
The government wasn't installed by the US, hell the man the US initially put in power isn't a part of the top government at all, as voted by the people.
Results aren't instant, sure it is chaos, but who is making that chaos? It isn't the US soldiers, it is the insurgents who don't know what they are fighting for. They said they are fighting to remove the US presense but they kill their own people each day, and every day they continue to fight is another day the US military has to stay there. They are the ones keeping our troops there not because of some half-baked idea that we want to occupy the country and piss away billions of dollars for nothing.
Under Saddam there was no free trade, their oil and power infrastructures where antiquated, no freedoms where allowed, there were billions of dollars of debt, and they were shunned by a good deal of the planet, now at least they have a CHANCE to build their economy make better lives for everyone, something they never would have had the chance to do with Saddam ruling the country. I guarantee things will eventually turn out better.
Another give me a ing break moment brought to you by Neil. |
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| George Smiley |
| quote: | Originally posted by d-miurge
stay in your . |
Yea its not like France would ever support military operations that dont have UN resolutions is it?! |
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| d-miurge |
| quote: | Originally posted by George Smiley
Yea its not like France would ever support military operations that dont have UN resolutions is it?! |
I am sure that France would have involved itself if Bush and his administration had not decided to attack alone. we would have left there readily. |
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| George Smiley |
| quote: | Originally posted by d-miurge
I am sure that France would have involved itself if Bush and his administration had not decided to attack alone. we would have left there readily. |
I'm sure France would have joined in if their politicians weren't so arrogant and saw this as a perfect opportunity to excersise a bit of power over the US. And you have a strange definition of "alone" |
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| gouuryella |
| yeah agreed on that, france didnt join because bush was there, france will always be opposite of what U.S says because they want the power over U.S like you said, and also they think they are the superpower in Europe, which again they are wrong, thats why they created the EU, to have this independece from U.S. |
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| George Smiley |
| quote: | Originally posted by gouuryella
yeah agreed on that, france didnt join because bush was there, france will always be opposite of what U.S says because they want the power over U.S like you said, and also they think they are the superpower in Europe, which again they are wrong, thats why they created the EU, to have this independece from U.S. |
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The EU was the 'creation' of Britain and America!! |
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| ogvh5150 |
| quote: | Originally posted by BadBadNeil
Do you honestly believe they would rather be living under Saddam Hussein? |
Oh boy here we go again with "The bad guy is Saddam Hussein" nonsense. Who told you about Saddam? Who said he was the one that we have to go after? Who told you all of that? Do you know Saddam personally? Do you know anyone that knows him personally? You went with what not only this but past administrations and the media have told you.
Do I believe him to be a threat? No. Why? Because he doesn't put food on my table. Or money in my pocket.
| quote: | | Results aren't instant, sure it is chaos, but who is making that chaos? It isn't the US soldiers, it is the insurgents who don't know what they are fighting for. They said they are fighting to remove the US presense but they kill their own people each day, and every day they continue to fight is another day the US military has to stay there. They are the ones keeping our troops there not because of some half-baked idea that we want to occupy the country and piss away billions of dollars for nothing. |
Another reason why people should be more interested in why billions are poured into Iraq while people here are starving and homeless.
| quote: | | Under Saddam there was no free trade, their oil and power infrastructures where antiquated, no freedoms where allowed, there were billions of dollars of debt, and they were shunned by a good deal of the planet, now at least they have a CHANCE to build their economy make better lives for everyone, something they never would have had the chance to do with Saddam ruling the country. I guarantee things will eventually turn out better. |
The Dollar is slipping against the Euro. GM is laying off tens of thousands here in the US after laying off in GM Europe. The Patriot Act allows for searches without warrants. The US deficit is Billions of Dollars. The US is the bane of the planet. Who knows if the US economy is going to fail. One day I hope things will be better here.
Recruitment numbers are down in the US military. Those that say we should stay have not enlisted. |
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| BadBadNeil |
| quote: | Originally posted by ogvh5150
Oh boy here we go again with "The bad guy is Saddam Hussein" nonsense. Who told you about Saddam? Who said he was the one that we have to go after? Who told you all of that? Do you know Saddam personally? Do you know anyone that knows him personally? You went with what not only this but past administrations and the media have told you.
Do I believe him to be a threat? No. Why? Because he doesn't put food on my table. Or money in my pocket.
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I guess you think he was a swell fellow. Do I have to personally shake his hand to know that he is bad? Did you have to shake Jeffrey Dahmer's hand to know that he ate people after dismembering them or did you just take the media's word for it? You don't have to be in the middle of the action to necessarily get a grasp of the problem.
Nothing that happens in other parts of the world put food on your table or money in your pocket, but does that mean you lock yourself in your room and ignore the rest of the world?
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Another reason why people should be more interested in why billions are poured into Iraq while people here are starving and homeless.
The Dollar is slipping against the Euro. GM is laying off tens of thousands here in the US after laying off in GM Europe. The Patriot Act allows for searches without warrants. The US deficit is Billions of Dollars. The US is the bane of the planet. Who knows if the US economy is going to fail. One day I hope things will be better here.
Recruitment numbers are down in the US military. Those that say we should stay have not enlisted. |
Well the US dollar was making ground against the Euro due to the latest developments in the EU. The stock market is rebounding nicely even in a slowly rebuilding economy, people are buying real estate at all time highs and we are maintaining growth even through raising interest rates and $60/barrel oil. Seems healthy to me.
GM is laying people off because they put out inferior products, have poor management, weak designs, and have to cover union costs, that isn't a problem with the US government, it is a problem with GM.
Our deficit has been billions of dollars since I was born, what else is new?
I kinda like being the bane of the planet and it is expected really. People don't like to see good things, they just like to see the bad taht you do.
Ehhh the US economy is fine, we are just in the middle of a shift from an industrial society to more of a service and commercial society.
When I walk outside each day to tell you the truth I don't see the horrible US that you see. Not sure what better would be really, can't think of another country on this planet that I would rather be.
Of course recruitment numbers are down, it is the middle of a war, people are dying and there is no set date for an exit. When the war is over and troops start coming back I am sure numbers will eventually increase again.
Seems like grasping at straws to me. |
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| Massive84 |
| quote: | Originally posted by BadBadNeil
Do you honestly believe they would rather be living under Saddam Hussein? |
So mister guru..explain me who is they? It seems to me you are saying that ALL iraqies had it bad under saddam..did you live in Iraq at that time or do you still live there? Have you ever been there? DOn't sit behind your computer and assuming things for an entire nation. Some people had it bad and some had it good. And let me tell you this, same thing in Holland..some people have it bad and some good. Just because CCN says iraqies have it bad, doesn't mean it's right :rolleyes:
| quote: | Originally posted by BadBadNeil
Results aren't instant, sure it is chaos, but who is making that chaos? It isn't the US soldiers, it is the insurgents who don't know what they are fighting for. They said they are fighting to remove the US presense but they kill their own people each day, and every day they continue to fight is another day the US military has to stay there. They are the ones keeping our troops there not because of some half-baked idea that we want to occupy the country and piss away billions of dollars for nothing. |
Geez, i wonder who started this chaos. And i also wonder why people are acting like "wow, we never knew it will end up like this"
| quote: | Originally posted by BadBadNeil
Under Saddam there was no free trade, their oil and power infrastructures where antiquated, no freedoms where allowed, there were billions of dollars of debt, and they were shunned by a good deal of the planet, now at least they have a CHANCE to build their economy make better lives for everyone, something they never would have had the chance to do with Saddam ruling the country. I guarantee things will eventually turn out better. |
Sure..and America has no debts at all? And yes America is full of freedom :rolleyes: . Ya man iraqies are so happy now..they can build their economy!!!! woo \o/ .. but first they have to rebuild their houses and lifes that america bombed.
| quote: | Originally posted by BadBadNeil
Another give me a ing break moment brought to you by Neil. |
A pointless one i must say. |
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| d-miurge |
| quote: | Originally posted by gouuryella
yeah agreed on that, france didnt join because bush was there, france will always be opposite of what U.S says because they want the power over U.S like you said, and also they think they are the superpower in Europe, which again they are wrong, thats why they created the EU, to have this independece from U.S. |
My grandfather was fighting with the US Army during the WW2... My uncle was in Kosovo, with your country.
I love USA, but I (and lots of non-american peoples) dislike the Bush and neocons' administration. That's all! |
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