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The Amazing Power of Prayer ... (pg. 2)
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| occrider |
| quote: | Originally posted by ierxium
Maybe the gods knew it was an experiment and did not want to participate.
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So the gods ignored the prayers for all those poor people just to preserve their absolute anonymity? But then that logic doesn't follow through because why would they grant any prayers at all, because then people will start to think they exist? My, my these omnipotent beings are surprisingly self-conscious around others.
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Plus, and this is just to make the post longer, having just the name, age and description of the illness is not enough. Anyone who says otherwise is blind. I would use Jesus as an example to prove some type of point but then this would get a bit nasty.
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Why is that not enough? Is there some kind of established requirement for a prayer to work? The gods only listen to your prayer if it's x in length or means y much to you? In that case everyone around the world praying for the victims of the London bombing (they don't even know the names of the people they are praying for!) is all for naught? |
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| kr00t0n |
| quote: | Originally posted by occrider
So the gods ignored the prayers for all those poor people just to preserve their absolute anonymity? But then that logic doesn't follow through because why would they grant any prayers at all, because then people will start to think they exist? My, my these omnipotent beings are surprisingly self-conscious around others.
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Logic and God go together about as much as the two main factions in the MD forum. |
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| Subey |
| I'm the most rationalE person alive. How do I know that? God told me :D |
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| ierxium |
| quote: | Originally posted by occrider
So the gods ignored the prayers for all those poor people just to preserve their absolute anonymity? But then that logic doesn't follow through because why would they grant any prayers at all, because then people will start to think they exist? My, my these omnipotent beings are surprisingly self-conscious around others.
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Probably there was some type of misunderstanding between the gods. The god of the christian thought the gods of the other religions were going to take care of it. But nobody cares about that type of thinking and it's irrelevant.
They did not ignore the prayers the prayers were praying, they simply did not take them into account. No god would be controlled by an insignificant human experiement. We are at their mercy. It would never be the other way around, this is assuming a god or gods exist/s.
Applying some rules of logic: If the gods were aware of the praying, then they were also aware of what went on with the experiment and all that was said among those in control.
| quote: | | Why is that not enough? Is there some kind of established requirement for a prayer to work? |
How can a person pray for someone that s/he knows little about? Sickness itself is not sufficient. Whether the prayer works or not depends on other factors too. Amount of sins by patient or of the faithful doing the prayers can be important. Wouldn't a person put more effort when praying for a loved one than when praying for some ill person in a picture?
Did these Jews, Christians, Muslims and Buddhists knew about the experiment? That also is important, maybe it was on the article, possibly didn't catch it. What about the religion of the patient? What if there was conflict between the religion of the patient and the religion of the prayer?
| quote: | | The gods only listen to your prayer if it's x in length or means y much to you? In that case everyone around the world praying for the victims of the London bombing (they don't even know the names of the people they are praying for!) is all for naught? |
Gods do listen to the prayers. Whether or not they choose to take some action is something else. Just because a y child goes and asks x person for money does not guarantee that y will get it, even if the money is intended for a person y knows little about. Another thing, y would put more effort asking for money if it's for a loved one.
The London bombing is a different situation. The gods are aware of it and it's not an experiment.
That's the beauty about any religion, you could just speculate because the truth will not be known in our existence. That's what was done with the experiment, which is just absurd.
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| weymouth |
| hmm too bad that money wasnt spent elsewhere, for like, cancer research |
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| Psy-T |
the research has scientificaly proven (to an extent) that prayer by itself does not have any power.
it aimed to prove/disprove the idea of prayer having any kind of power.
it succeeded getting results.
how is it absurd? |
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| Psy-T |
| quote: | Originally posted by weymouth
hmm too bad that money wasnt spent elsewhere, for like, cancer research |
you can not prevent death, and if you could you probably wouldn't.
stop trying to delay it... you will die.. so will i.... as will everyone else here, it doesn't matter whether it'll be today or tommorow |
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| Cobalt |
+1 for the forces of reason.
Too bad the United States doesn't give a whit about that. :haha: |
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| ierxium |
| quote: | Originally posted by Psy-T
the research has scientificaly proven (to an extent) that prayer by itself does not have any power.
it aimed to prove/disprove the idea of prayer having any kind of power.
it succeeded getting results.
how is it absurd? |
Keyword: science. It's hard for science to dis/prove something that is related to religion.
It's not credible. So it's absurd and a waste of time.
More details are necessary. What exactly were they prayers praying about? Were they praying that the patients get better or that they go to Heaven or whatever it is dead people go to these days? If it was the latter, then the experiment sucked even more.
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| ::TranceVanDyk:: |
| quote: | Originally posted by occrider
Oops, there is none. |
"It is written, do not test the lord thy god." |
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| *InVeRs3* |
| Man, bashing religion is so popular these days. |
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| WillyWonka |
| I'm doing research on praying and this article was kind of interesting.;) |
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