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If You had the fate of trance in your hand... (pg. 15)
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| PETRAN |
| quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
They're certainly related. It was much more of a continuous evolution than a sharp break. Personally, I don't mind a lot of the stuff that came out until around 1999, which is when the "who can make the biggest, baddest breakdown" contest became the whole goal of the more popular kind of trance, and its roots in techno were left behind for good.
I love the kind of stuff that Sasha was playing from 1997 - 99, for example. Great melodic prog trance. |
Exactly, trance started as a more melodic and hypnotic kind of techno (or the Germans' struggle in producing Detroit Techno, ending-up in...trance!) and continuously evolved into more and more melodic structures, ending-up in some wayyy-too anthemic tunes of '99. As you said, the change was not sudden and clear-cut though but gradual, linear and continuous, and as i look back at it now, great tunes appeared all over the 90s, from 91-99. Thing is that many people (including me) always thought of ALL trance coming from the second half of 90s as the wayy-too anthemic/epic type which is clearly not the case. Even in the second half of the 90s, the sound was slower, and retained the hypnotic and rhythmical components of the classic trance, components which completely dissapeared after the millenium. Yes, break-downs (and at times a bit long ones) indeed existed but they had nothing to do with the anthemic saw circus with the screaming melodies that were common in many releases of bloody mr. Ferry Corsten. It was more of a hypnotic and emotional gated melody repeating itself before all the components joining again and exploding in mid-tempo hypnotic dancing frenzy. Yes the sound was anthemic but then again, so were many (probably the most) classic trance releases.
You've probably heard these but just to remind.
Here's a tune from "Forbidden Paradise 7"
Steve Baltes- "My Style"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iyM...feature=related
and by "Magik-1 first flight"
The Voyager- "Back on Earth"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMRVu6WqciI
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As for sasha and digweed, if you mean stuff like northern exposure 2, as far as i remember that was a mix of typical british prog-house and the "Germanic/Dutch/Belgian" prog-euro (call it what you want) trance of the era which was identical to the ones appearing in Tiesto's first compilations (e.g. Dj Taucher, LSG, Transa). The boudnaries were not that clear-cut back them. |
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| noikeee |
I'd have it evolve into 3 different sub-branches:
a) usually 125-130 BPM. Very interchangeable with tech-house and techno, borrowing both elements from it and from early 90s classic trance. Basically tech-house with an hypnotic feeling and more synthesizer/arpeggio layers than usual. Pretty much a continuation of the "neotrance" idea that seems to be dying. The perfect stuff if you're a crossover house/techno dj and want to incorporate some trance elements.
b) usually 132-138 BPM. Remember Sasha and Digweed's "Northern Exposure" series? Remember James Holden's early singles like I Have Put Out The Light and Way Out West's remix of Horizons? Remember later obscure Bonzai tracks like Float - Preparation? THAT sound. Slightly evolved into something intentionally more listening-oriented than club-oriented. We could label it "deep trance", even if this would technically be more "progressive trance" than anything else, just to separate it from the dying nonsense that progressive developed into. And to emphasize that this is meant to be a DEEP sound.
c) usually 138-145 BPM. Forget the last 5 or 6 years of trance. Remember how epic trance used to be played very fast-paced? Remember Paul Van Dyk pitching up tracks in insane amounts, like over +8%? Remember Tiesto's 1999->2000 new years eve Trance Energy set? I don't really like epic trance all that much any more, but it worked so much better at that speed. With that slightly hard edge. Funny thing is that those old 1993 Cosmic Baby tracks worked really well due to the same thing -> the speed those melodies kept going through the speakers. Let's fuse those two sounds together with one condition -> keep the amount of breakdowns and supersaws to a minimum.
With all sorts of crossover tracks between these 3 branches of course, but with most music being clustered into these 3 main ideas.
With an emphasis back on giving the audience a "human", full, dirty sound, rather than spending ages polishing those frequencies until every synth sounds absolutely 100% crystal clear. I hate that , whenever I hear it it always seems to have detracted from the creativity of the artist in actually writing the track. (I'm not sure if I've managed to describe correctly what I want here. :p )
With that soft, slow sound, heavily influenced by pop, rock and progressive house, dead and buried. Armin, Markus, Gabriel & Dresden: off.
I wish so much that I had the patience and the skills to turn these ideas into music... |
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| Jono404 |
| As someone else said, make it simpler. Too much bloated e from labels like anjunabeats with probably 100 or so tracks, it sounds ty. |
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| noikeee |
| By the way, in this my idea of trance that I've just described, the psy scene would also remain unchanged and hopefully locked in a far, safe place, completely separate from it. Just to keep the hippies busy and make sure both themselves and their horrible noises don't crossover into the other trance scene. :nervous: |
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| PETRAN |
| quote: | Originally posted by noikeee
I'd have it evolve into 3 different sub-branches:
a) usually 125-130 BPM. Very interchangeable with tech-house and techno, borrowing both elements from it and from early 90s classic trance. Basically tech-house with an hypnotic feeling and more synthesizer/arpeggio layers than usual. Pretty much a continuation of the "neotrance" idea that seems to be dying. The perfect stuff if you're a crossover house/techno dj and want to incorporate some trance elements.
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If by "Neo-Trance" you mean melodic mnml like Gui Boratto and The Field, then it is defintielly not dying, since both albums received massive critical acclaim when they were released in 2007. The Field - "From Here We Go Sublime" was my number-1 EDM record of 2007 as well. It used basic 90s proto-EDM ideas like simple arpeggios and chopped vocal samples (music that refers back to both early British Prog-House like Spooky- "Gargantuan" and early German Trance) creating a simple and beautifull result. I would like to see that melodic mnml sound developing further. |
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| noikeee |
I remember you raving about that album a couple months ago in some random thread, but I never could be arsed to go search for it. :p
Don't know why but I wasn't very impressed by Boratto's album, though. |
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| _Ocean_Drive_ |
| quote: | Originally posted by sleepydragon
I dont know how u can compare the two |
Because when you go on holiday, say for example you go to Disneyland, that's your enjoyment. But to the guy working at the cafe where you're having a coffee on a sunny day, it's a job.
Likewise, the music you enjoy, is what someone is doing for a living. They'll have off years, and they may hate their job, but they do it because they earn a lot. Who can blame them? Money and sales talk. |
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| Jono404 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Soonmeister
Much agreed mate. top 40 charts are horrible to listen to... if i remember rightly some EDM music beat some pop acts to the number 1 spot in the UK.. radio 1 on sunday evening.. it think i remember Delerium - Silence becoming No1 :D :D :D and stayed there for a couple of weeks or a week.. im not sure..
If i had the fate of trance id show people its true beauty and eductate mainstreamers that trance is not rip off un talented half wits like Dj Sammy or Special D ( Special D wat a ing name ) and show them the reality of this beautiful genre and get as many people hooked as possible without arsehole labels and wits trying 2 make a quick few £££ out of it for his/hers own stash
Trance is a awesome and inspiring form of music that no other genre can replicate in any way
LONG LIVE TRANCE
Peace |
Back in the day though some fairly credible trance tunes got into the charts, heaven scent, xpander, some tilt tracks if i remember etc.
Now it seems to get anywhere in the charts with a dance track it needs to be the cheesiest, most sugared up e ever with the 'I love you you love me' vocals. Depressingly most people think of stuff like this when you tell them you're into dance. |
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| Ted Promo |
| this thread reminded me how much I miss meneedit. |
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| AustralianGQ |
| i wouldnt change anything at all, id let it go the way it is now...let the music and the scene evolve naturally. |
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| Ted Promo |
| quote: | Originally posted by AustralianGQ
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...but then I realize what we have now and I feel satiated. |
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| piku303 |
| if i had the fate of trance in my hand i would crush it and make it so no one could ever make trance music as we know again, then maybe i could move on and make music that isn't trance. |
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