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| extacy_bomb |
I hate TTC man...it gut my 03accord ride off.
stupid buses stupid drivers stupid system. |
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| dance2dabeat |
having a car is soo much easier...
u can come and go as u please.
I would be ing lost without my car....and to think I was going to sell it when I moved to T.O......so glad I snapped out of that retarded idea! :wtf: |
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| dEsidEL |
| quote: | Originally posted by AwakenedAddict
When joo are right joo are right ;)
Problem is demand to construct a vast, effective public transit system, like the ones in Europe and Asia, is driven by a couple of factors which are lacking in N.American in general, and Toronto specifically.
1) Dense population (Toronto is sort of dense, but not even close to the degree of London or Hong Kong.)
2) The age of the city. Toronto was planned many hundreds of years after the before-mentioned cities. Consequently the downtown areas feature wider and straighter boulevards which can carry auto traffic much more effectively, reducing demand for public transportation.
3) N. Americans love their cars like no other people in the world. They drive everywhere! |
i totally agree !
after travelling to different parts of the world u can definately get a perspective on where a society's priorities lie in terms of how people go about their daily lives.
for instance it takes me about 10-15 minutes to get to work by car and close to an hour by TTC. even with rising gas prices there's very little incentive here for people to rely upon public transportation unless they have no other choice. just drive down the DVP on a rush hour morning and literally every car on the road has 1 passenger (namely the driver) inside.
i could rant for hours about the TTC , but it'd be pointless since all this complaining seems to just fall on deaf ears.
North America is just so ingrained with its driving culture that public transportation is doomed to take a back seat, altho i've recently heard that cities like Vancouver, Portland, Dallas, etc. are starting to make significant leaps in terms of public transit infastructure. the most frustrating thing i find about public transportation here is when they complain about funding. it's not that the money isn't there, it's just that it never seems to be spent on the right things.
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| dEsidEL |
| quote: | Originally posted by Tordan
I saw those new VIVA buses in Richmond Hill the other day. I heard there are realtime indicators of when the next bus arrives at the stops. If only TTC would evolve to that... dream on. :) |
i found it hilarious when people here were so amazed by this technology that has been in use in so many other developed countries around the world for years. the GTA is like way overdue ..
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| joinT |
| quote: | Originally posted by dance2dabeat
....and to think I was going to sell it when I moved to T.O......so glad I snapped out of that retarded idea! :wtf: |
smart move there darlin'
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| JRinger |
| quote: | Originally posted by joinT
friend of mine made a good point to me the other day.. Toronto is the only really large city that only has 2 subway routes.. |
tell your friend to learn how to count |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by JRinger
tell your friend to learn how to count |
Dude, the Sheppard route doesn't apply, it has hardly any stops and essentially just goes from mall to mall. :p
This is precisely why I laugh at people when they tell me to take the TTC to get away from the gas prices. I used to take public transit to work - it took me, on average, an hour and a half (sometimes two), whereas the drive rarely takes more than 30 minutes even in heavy traffic.
Basically, every level of government has ed up royally when it comes to transportation in this city. Originally, the city planners in Toronto had planned to build several more expressways as well as actually finishing the Allen expressway AND having an additional subway route AND expanding the existing routes all through the metro area.
From what I understand - the idiot environmentalists said, oh no, we must preserve the land and encourage people to use public transit! So they scrapped the entire plan (and as a result Toronto lost any potential funding from the provincial and federal governments) with the intent of redesigning it without the expressways but with a much more comprehensive public transportation infrastructure. Which honestly probably would have worked pretty well, except for the fact that they never got off their asses to CREATE that design!
So for the past 15 years, Toronto has been begging the higher levels of government for more transit money, but the provincial governments do not want to commit any dollars without a real plan of what to do with it (and rightly so!), and the federal government does not want to divert any additional money to Ontario (they'd rather suck up all our money and redistribute it to the chronically unemployed east coast). And even that has now stopped since we elected David Miller, who is trying to force people to use public transportation by destroying all our roads and highways, but apparently doesn't believe in actually improving public transit.
Unfortunately there is no way out of the mess right now. There is this persistent philosophy all over Canada (but especially Ontario) that rather than give people an incentive to take public transit, we should just punish motorists for driving cars. That attitude doesn't accomplish anything other than pissing people off and promoting road rage.
I would gladly sell my financial black hole of a car if our city could even pull off a passing grade with the TTC. But don't expect it to happen while any of us are still young enough to drive. |
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| JRinger |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
Dude, the Sheppard route doesn't apply, it has hardly any stops and essentially just goes from mall to mall. :p |
when something costs over $900 million dollars to build, it counts
whether is SHOULD have been built is an entirely different matter |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by JRinger
when something costs over $900 million dollars to build, it counts
whether is SHOULD have been built is an entirely different matter |
The cost is completely irrelevant - it was funded largely by private enterprise anyway.
What matters is whether or not it actually helps city residents get from point A to point B. Do you think the Sheppard subway has accomplished that? |
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| JRinger |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
The cost is completely irrelevant - it was funded largely by private enterprise anyway.
What matters is whether or not it actually helps city residents get from point A to point B. Do you think the Sheppard subway has accomplished that? |
like i said, whether it SHOULD have been built is an entirely different matter.
Buddy said we only have 2 subway lines.
We don't.
We have 3, plus the Scarborough RT.
End of story. |
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| infinity HiGH |
lol...i've been back in toronto for nearly 2 days and already I've realized/remembered how ty TTC service is.
Just now, I missed my bus to school because the bus that I was supposed to take at 10:54AM left at 10:50AM :rolleyes:
I swear, London's transit system BLOWS Toronto's out of the water. To be honest, comparisons like that shouldn't even be made because London's whole system, on every single level, is light-years ahead of Toronto's. Everything from the workers, to reliability, ticket options...and anything else you can think of.
Even my hometown of Warsaw has a more efficient system, and you could say that that city only started truly developing recently. Hell, they're not even finished building their FIRST subway line, yet they've managed to already implement those cool magnetic cards into their whole transportation system for people to use 30 and 90 day passes (and you don't have to follow a monthly system like with the TTC with their metropass), keep the bus/streetcar routes extremely punctual (it's amazing how punctual they are), move from those old Communist-days vehicles to the new, "environment-friendly" ones, have a computerized announcement of every upcoming stop (the TTC will have this by 2007!!)...oh, and best of all, have a map of the whole route, with stops, on every bus/train/street car. Which is great, cause it makes getting some place new SO much easier.
I'm sorry, but for a self-proclaimed worldclass city, Toronto has a LONG way to go :rolleyes:
edit ...is there a site anywhere where you can post your complaints about the TTC? |
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| Jayx1 |
even if gas is $4 a litre, its still better than speninf 2 hours on a bus to go what would take 15 mins by car at $2.50 each way.
The worst is living beyond toronto. Then it gets super expensive and really long. From oakville to any point in toronto costs about $22 by the time you take oakville transit, go train, ttc and an average of 2-3 hours compared to 30 mins-1 hour by car. The cost by car at $1 a litre is roughly $7 for a round trip in gas and $8 in parking. So for $15 as opposed to $22 i get there faster, and i own something that can take me places other times as well. Sure there are car repairs and the cost of buying the car and insuring but when you take into account that time = money as well the car stillk comes out far ahead in the convenience/money factor.
I wish we had public transit comparative to even many third world countries. Id love to get on a seamless transit system hassle free, punctually, and relatively cost efficient. If i could do it at even 25% longer than a car commute then i would because it sure beats the hell out of sitting in traffic. But sadly we will likely never see that kind of infrastructure in toronto in our lifetime. Especially if we keep electing the idiot politicians that we like to elect.
ANd BTW Toronto is far away from being a world class city. Perhaps its a big city, but it's more like a gigantic small town with an inferiority complex. |
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