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| DJ_Science |
| quote: | Originally posted by EvilTree
Please tell me what is exactly Canadian culture?
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PS: For the record, we really need a strong beer to hash this out. ;) |
You question really hits the point for me. I can't tell you what canadain culture is, and I bet you can't either. This is because you and I have grown up in a time then penetration of the US culture into our own has become so dominant that it has prevented Canadains from getting a chance to know what the hell it means to be Canadain. That, to me, is worth saving - the ability for us to be able to identify our own culture in our own country without the need to be scholars in the subject. This is why I think these laws are worth while, and even is an argument for improving upon them.
And yes, these discussions are always better with beer. |
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| DJ_Science |
| quote: | Originally posted by EvilTree
Better question might be what do we have that is worth protecting against Yank media juggernaut?
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I also want to suggest that protecting ourselves from the "yank media juggernaut" is a worth while exercise for me as well. The current American government is a great example of what happens when you let your democracy be overrun with capitalism (the two are distinct and i would arge mutually exclusive). I think that the media juggernaut that you refer to is a great contributor to that and we should protect ourselves from that. |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by EvilTree
Please tell me what is exactly Canadian culture?
What do we produce that makes us so different from others?
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Butter tarts. That's it. That is the only uniquely Canadian thing I can think of. If you travel the world you'll find pecan tarts or rasin tarts but only in Canada will you find butter tarts. They simply do not exist anywhere else.
Truth is that Canadian culture is a mix of various cultural influances but used to express uniquely Canadian points of view, stories, or experiences. Given the incredable variety of this country you cannot identify one culture but must look at Canadian culture as a unique mix of various regional and global cultures. What makes it Canadian is the mix. |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ_Science
You question really hits the point for me. I can't tell you what canadain culture is, and I bet you can't either. This is because you and I have grown up in a time then penetration of the US culture into our own has become so dominant that it has prevented Canadains from getting a chance to know what the hell it means to be Canadain. That, to me, is worth saving - the ability for us to be able to identify our own culture in our own country without the need to be scholars in the subject. This is why I think these laws are worth while, and even is an argument for improving upon them.
And yes, these discussions are always better with beer. |
so we are supposed to try and protect something that we cant even identify?
There is no such thing as a distinct culture here and even if there were it would still also have american influence. For example, latin america still has its salsa stations but they also get american music etc.
And interesting note. Latins consider all latin culture regarldess of country to be "theirs".. yes they are proud of their country but latin flavour is latin flavour. but canadians are hung up on distinguishing their anglo culture from american anglo culture... i dont get it.
if canada has any form of distinct culture, its french. And i dont see the french having any problems dispite what the seperatists may tell you. |
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| DJ_Science |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
so we are supposed to try and protect something that we cant even identify?
There is no such thing as a distinct culture here and even if there were it would still also have american influence. |
And this is why we are differing in opinion. Yes i think we need to protect something we can't identify at the moment. I think we can't identify it because we don't protect it and the fact that we can't identify it bothers me. Hence the reason I support protection. Protection of our ability to develop and maintain a unique culture. |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ_Science
And this is why we are differing in opinion. Yes i think we need to protect something we can't identify at the moment. I think we can't identify it because we don't protect it and the fact that we can't identify it bothers me. Hence the reason I support protection. Protection of our ability to develop and maintain a unique culture. |
but we do protect it and have for years and still cant identify it. Instead we get american wannabes like sean desmond polluting the airwaves. We get crappy stations that play 3 year old reruns of american shows. Even the CBC is bung and they get so much canadian taxpayer money. The only time anyone watches the CBC is for hockey night in canada, simpsons reruns or coronation st. |
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| DJ_Science |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
but we do protect it and have for years and still cant identify it. Instead we get american wannabes like sean desmond polluting the airwaves. We get crappy stations that play 3 year old reruns of american shows. Even the CBC is bung and they get so much canadian taxpayer money. The only time anyone watches the CBC is for hockey night in canada, simpsons reruns or coronation st. |
Oh, so everytime we don't get something right the first time we should just abandon the attempt?
I agree that we are not doing a good job of it at the moment, but I don't see how that equals getting rid of the protections all together. And i really don't see how letting it go to the market forces, which are dominated by the Americans, will help either. |
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| ChemEnhanced |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
Butter tarts. That's it. That is the only uniquely Canadian thing I can think of. If you travel the world you'll find pecan tarts or rasin tarts but only in Canada will you find butter tarts. They simply do not exist anywhere else.
Truth is that Canadian culture is a mix of various cultural influances but used to express uniquely Canadian points of view, stories, or experiences. Given the incredable variety of this country you cannot identify one culture but must look at Canadian culture as a unique mix of various regional and global cultures. What makes it Canadian is the mix. |
You are also forgetting Bloody Ceasars....another unique thing to canada. |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ_Science
Oh, so everytime we don't get something right the first time we should just abandon the attempt?
I agree that we are not doing a good job of it at the moment, but I don't see how that equals getting rid of the protections all together. And i really don't see how letting it go to the market forces, which are dominated by the Americans, will help either. |
its already dominated by americans. even with cancon people still generally prefer american and foreign content. And with the internet its even easier to access this.
And as i said, cancon rules havnt helped the juno award winning artists who i know who have succeeded in other countries but not here. Its all about market forces even with silly laws.
Avril lavigne makes it in canada/us because she has an american sound.
John Aquaviva for example is more popular in europe than in canada because he has a european sound.
Same thing for americans.
Filo and Peri cant get radio play in the US. But they are top 10 in Europe on the radio.
Cancon laws dont do a thing for canadian artists except help a few second rate losers like sean desmond get onto FLow and Z 103. |
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| DigiNut |
Let's carefully examine the main areas that Canadian Content laws are designed to "protect".
Business
As stated earlier, protectionism never benefits the local economy because it assumes wealth is finite. Protectionist laws allow poorly-run business to maintain a kind of monopoly, which is why cellular service carriers here suck compared to the USA. I'm not going to go over that again - protectionism hurts our economy and our quality of life, period.
Consumers
Some people (particularly politicians) try to make the argument that protectionism benefits the Canadian consumer. They've never explained how or why - as far as I can tell, limiting consumer choice does not benefit the consumer in any way, shape or form.
Cultural Identity
The question has been raised but never answered: just what IS the Canadian cultural identity?
To most Canadians, the only "identity" we have to speak of is that of "multiculturalism". That is, we don't have a distinct identity of our own, but our identity is supposedly the beautiful mosaic of many different cultures. So if we as a society pride ourselves on this notion of multiculturalism, how can we actively take steps to enforce a certain culture? What is different about American culture that makes it OK to exclude it from the mix (as if it didn't already dominate the mix)? There is nothing - that is hypocrisy at its finest.
So what are we protecting?
The simple answer is - we aren't protecting anything other than our widespread anti-Americanism. Canadian Content laws aren't actually about supporting Canada, they're about restricting the USA. Think carefully - when was the last time you've seen the Canadian Content laws applied to anyone other than the Americans? We approved Al Jazeera, for christ's sake.
The CRTC should go back to doing what it was originally intended to do: regulating the technology, not the content. |
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| DJ_Science |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
Cancon laws dont do a thing for canadian artists except help a few second rate losers like sean desmond get onto FLow and Z 103. |
At this point I think that we are running around in circles.
I disagree with you that they don't do a thing for artists and its obvious that we are not going to agree on that. I have stated already that i agree what they do need an overhaul but I don't think that tossing them out is a smart move. |
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| EvilTree |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ_Science
You question really hits the point for me. I can't tell you what canadain culture is, and I bet you can't either. This is because you and I have grown up in a time then penetration of the US culture into our own has become so dominant that it has prevented Canadains from getting a chance to know what the hell it means to be Canadain. That, to me, is worth saving - the ability for us to be able to identify our own culture in our own country without the need to be scholars in the subject. This is why I think these laws are worth while, and even is an argument for improving upon them.
And yes, these discussions are always better with beer. |
1. Have you seen someone who keep walking around in circles because he has no clue where he's going? And you stop him and ask where or what is he looking for and he tells you that he's suppose to meet a friend in such and such place, but he tells you that he has no idea where that is.
It's like going treasure hunting without knowing that the treasure is suppose to be, so you keep digging everywhere and get nowhere.
That's what it's like to try to find the Canadian culture.
Now Canadian identity is a bit more different, because you have something more... solid to build up from. Still frail, but there's something. |
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