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Notre Gouverneure General... (pg. 4)
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| malek |
wowow
there's too many replies I want to write but I hate doing the nasean/elie type of replies with 2380523508 quotes and replies in one post.
but i want to tell lopicrap something, the reason why quebec has so many civil workers is because we offer services that other provinces don't offer. How hard is it to understand?
Let me put it simply. Lets take your beloved ontario.
Who takes in charge social services in Ontario? you know the welfare program and others social services? The provinces or cities?
The cities of course, in Quebec its the province. So if you want to compare the number of civil servants in Quebec to other provinces, you should take into account other civil servants that aren't part of the provincial machine (as in Ontario).
There's many many other examples, but I don't want to waste my time with lopicrap, he does no research before spweing his filthy propaganda crap. |
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| malek |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lopitrance
Dude if you understood how Canada's federal system worked you'd understand that Quebec has more power over itself than any other province.
Also you aren't allowed to do it, it's a fact, read the constitution and tell me where in the CANADIAN CONSTITUION it says Quebec is allowed to seperate?
Sorry bro, I can cite other reasons apart from Economic aswell :D
Also, you've lost not once but TWICE.
For the exact reasons I cited, imigrant Quebecers, are you trying to tell me THEY would want Quebec to seperate also? Or do you not care about them? Imigrants that come to Quebec are here for Canada aswell, its funny how THEY have faith in Canada's federalism but not you :rolleyes: |
so thats why the Federal govt voted a clarity bill stating that if there's a referendum with a clear question and 50%+1 vote that Quebec can separate? that basically was a double edged sword that Chretien put in place... he infact validated quebec separation. |
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| malek |
| quote: | Originally posted by KrinKer
J'aimerais bien voir ce qui arriverais si, justement, cette même "double bureaucratie" serais effacer, sa serais drôle de voir si Québec arriverais ou non ...
Dommage que les libéraux Québecois n'aient pas de couilles !
KrinKer |
c'est pas une double bureaucratie partout. Y a des places ou y a une dedoublement (ministere de la culture ou l'imigration) et d'autres ou il y en a pas (SQ/GRC).
Le probleme c'est quand le federal veut empieter sur les champs de competences provinciales. Toutes les autres provinces s'en fichent sauf le Quebec... pourtant c'est dans la constitution Canadienne!! Le Quebec quand il chiale defend en realite la constitution canadienne.
Si le Quebec arriverait sans le Federal? oui evidemment, on envoi 50 milliards a ottawa chaque annee et on quete pour ravoir ses argents.
Est-ce qu'on est pas capable de gerer ces ressources la par nous meme?? |
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| vano |
| quote: | Originally posted by malek
Si le Quebec arriverait sans le Federal? oui evidemment, on envoi 50 milliards a ottawa chaque annee et on quete pour ravoir ses argents.
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Est-on les seuls? |
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| malek |
| quote: | Originally posted by vano
Est-on les seuls? |
non on est pas les seuls, mais les autres semblent s'y plaire. Ca ne leur derange pas.
Mais je crois que ca va changer dans le futur, l'Alberta envisage d'etablir son "firewall" ce qui veut dire dedoubler comme le Quebec les ministeres federaux pour avoir leur propre mot a dire.
L'Ontario grogne aussi parcequ'elle est la plus lesée de toutes les provinces. |
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| vano |
D’après moi, dans des situations semblables il faut penser globalement car les impôts collectés sont pour tout le pays. Bien sur ça serait plus avantageux pour le Québec de garder cette somme ici mais il ne faut pas oublier les provinces plus pauvres que la notre. Il y a aussi la défense nationale, l'accord Kyoto, l'aide internationale, ...
Après tout, seul on est faible – ensemble on est fort. |
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| malek |
| quote: | Originally posted by vano
D’après moi, dans des situations semblables il faut penser globalement car les impôts collectés sont pour tout le pays. Bien sur ça serait plus avantageux pour le Québec de garder cette somme ici mais il ne faut pas oublier les provinces plus pauvres que la notre. Il y a aussi la défense nationale, l'accord Kyoto, l'aide internationale, ...
Après tout, seul on est faible – ensemble on est fort. |
la defense ne sera pas un probleme, les bases militaires canadiennes seront prises par le gouvernement du quebec (payer sa part de dette veut aussi dire recevoir sa part d'actifs qui ont etes payes avec la dette).
L'aide internationale, je vois pas le probleme.
Kyoto, justement le Quebec se fait fourrer completement maintenant, meme les liberaux au quebec sont furieux contre ottawa (google google). |
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| Mekroon |
Malek le séparatiste?
t peurf mek
jmen goale tellement du Manitoba pi des ces provinces la
pourquoi on les aiderait quand on a dla misère avec nous même???
:p |
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| malek |
je suis pas 100% separatiste, mais ya des choses qu'il faut dire quand meme.
c'fini la tete d'autruche. |
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| Lopitrance |
| quote: | Originally posted by malek
so thats why the Federal govt voted a clarity bill stating that if there's a referendum with a clear question and 50%+1 vote that Quebec can separate? that basically was a double edged sword that Chretien put in place... he infact validated quebec separation. |
Erm they passed that bill and after the referendums decided it was unconstitutional, that's why the PQ had to sift through international law to see if they were justified :P |
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| Mekroon |
moi jdis quon demande detre annexés a leurope
cfini l'amérique et sa mentalité fruitée
jreve detre européen au Québec
JAMAIS jdit que jsuis Canadien... jdis plus que jsuis Suédois parce que jressemble a un Suédois
le sentiment de patrie est beaucoup plus fort quand je vais en europe... la dou on vient tous |
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| Lopitrance |
I'm seeing a pattern here...
You say you don't want to be Canadian because there is a lack of patriotism here, it's true there is, because nobody accepts being Canadian.
Everyone I talk to is something else, Irish, Scottish, German, Russian, Asian, Middle-Eastern.
I am a proud Canadian, I learned my family heritage and I don't give two s about it. Canada > All, for me that is.
Need I remind you that Duceppe TURNED DOWN THE OFFER to lead the PQ, possibly into another referendum. PROLLY cause he knows what a retarted idea it is. Also all of you should be reminded of something else :P, would you honestly like some of those shady PQ characters running a COUNTRY? Want to know how the vote was so close back in '95? Cause they were THROWING OUT "NO" VOTES, OMG! Suprise suprise :P
Sorry guys, this will be my last post about this for a while because I've seen NO GOOD reasons for Quebec to seperate, no leaders capable enough, and no reason for all this detachment from the Canadian federal system, which some of you don't understand I don't think because if you did you'd realize JUST HOW MUCH power Quebec has!!
Peace out, federalism represent! Stay Canadian! We love Quebec and Canada! |
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