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Do you want to do something about the homeless people you see? (pg. 2)
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| StereoPrincess |
i am impressed arek. and here i thought you were on TA just to post funny pictures and embed sounds and backgrounds into out lovely conversations.
i am one of those people that truly feels sad for the homeless because i guess i haven't been in toronto long enough to turn my feelings off.
a lot of things can be done to help them. there just isn't enough shelters around Toronto right now. |
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| TheVrk |
| quote: | Originally posted by chinamon
i think we should have a dedicated area in the city where all the homeless are confined and we can urinate on them. |
:eek: :stongue: Now THATS crossing the line |
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| Floorwhore |
| quote: | Originally posted by chinamon
i think we should have a dedicated area in the city where all the homeless are confined and we can urinate on them. |
It would be hilarious if a year from now you became homeless, and in that same year that dedicated area was created! I'm going to hold my piss until that day, and hit you with a bionic stream that will blast your eye out the back of your skull.
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p.s. - i think the original post is a very creative idea.
i feel bad for the homeless. |
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| ChemEnhanced |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
While it is true that most homeless people end up homeless due to mental illness it is also true that many of them were being treated for their illness prior to or subsequent to becoming homeless. Most of those on the street have elected to go off their meds thus resulting in the progression of their conditions and their current circumstance. While I agree that we should offer assistance I do not feel any sympathy for those that refuse to take it. Moreover, I must ask myself, is the benefit received from helping these people equal to the resources expended? I don't know, however, the utilitarian in me says if it is then we should not only continue to help but we should increase our aide, if not then we should not only withdraw our aide but hasten their demise. |
Wether it is our homeless people or people dying of disease in third world nations it all boils down to how they will help the society they are in. If funding is given and the funding allows them to become a productive part of society then I agree that the funding is well worth it. If I see no return on my investment then why would I continue investing in it.
For example, there is a lot of money that is spent on giving medication to people in third world nations that will never get better. The medication may prolong their lives a few years or make their final days less painful but they will never be anything more then a drain on the society. Better to cut your losses right away then to continue to throw money at it. |
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| ChemEnhanced |
| quote: | Originally posted by Floorwhore
i feel bad for the homeless. |
I think you should hold off on feeling bad for them until you know why they are homeless. many are homeless due to there own actions....and refuse help when it is given to them. |
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| Floorwhore |
| quote: | Originally posted by ChemEnhanced
I think you should hold off on feeling bad for them until you know why they are homeless. many are homeless due to there own actions....and refuse help when it is given to them. |
I feel bad no matter how they became that way. To see someone curled up in a ball on the streets in December always makes me feel like , i dont care how they got there. I'm sure a lot of them are in the position they are in because of their actions, but that doesn't really change how i feel. |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by Floorwhore
I feel bad no matter how they became that way. To see someone curled up in a ball on the streets in December always makes me feel like , i dont care how they got there. I'm sure a lot of them are in the position they are in because of their actions, but that doesn't really change how i feel. |
This is the worst thing you can do! Don't pity them, pity does nothing but make their situation worse! It is because we pity them that we do just enough to help them survive but not enough to correct the problem. Pity has never helped anyone.... it only prolongs suffering.
“Pity thwarts the whole law of evolution, which is the law of natural selection. It preserves whatever is ripe for destruction; it fights on the side of those disinherited and condemned by life; by maintaining life in so many of the botched of all kinds, it gives life itself a gloomy and dubious aspect.” -- Nietzsche
“… that by means of pity life is denied, and made worthy of denial” -- Schopenhauer |
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| Floorwhore |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
This is the worst thing you can do! Don't pity them, pity does nothing but make their situation worse! It is because we pity them that we do just enough to help them survive but not enough to correct the problem. Pity has never helped anyone.... it only prolongs suffering.
“Pity thwarts the whole law of evolution, which is the law of natural selection. It preserves whatever is ripe for destruction; it fights on the side of those disinherited and condemned by life; by maintaining life in so many of the botched of all kinds, it gives life itself a gloomy and dubious aspect.” -- Nietzsche
“… that by means of pity life is denied, and made worthy of denial” -- Schopenhauer |
I dont think tossing a loonie to a homeless kid who wipes the off of my windshield really makes the situation worse. |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by Floorwhore
I dont think tossing a loonie to a homeless kid who wipes the off of my windshield really makes the situation worse. |
That's because you think too narrowly. If sufficient people give that kid a dollar that he can sustain life but nothing more then the kid survives another day. You see this as a good thing... the kid didn't die. However, the kid will never earn enough that he can improve his lot in life, never escape his situations. Subsequently, while you feel good about yourself for parting with a dollar, this kid continues to live a life of disease, mental illness, near starvation, violence, hopelessness, pain, and fear. Well, congradulations.... you have succeeded in helping to allow his mysery to continue! You're such a good person! |
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| Floorwhore |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
That's because you think too narrowly. If sufficient people give that kid a dollar that he can sustain life but nothing more then the kid survives another day. You see this as a good thing... the kid didn't die. However, the kid will never earn enough that he can improve his lot in life, never escape his situations. Subsequently, while you feel good about yourself for parting with a dollar, this kid continues to live a life of disease, mental illness, near starvation, violence, hopelessness, pain, and fear. Well, congradulations.... you have succeeded in helping to allow his mysery to continue! You're such a good person! |
Well i guess i could hold on to my loonie next time, so he's forced to do something more drastic to survive like say.... get a hold of a gun, hold it to my head at the intersection instead of a squeegy to my windshield, and rob me of my possessions!!?? Or blow my brains out. He doesn't really have anything to lose does he? I'll keep feeding the loonies to the squeegy kids. Keeps my windshield bird free, and the kids from snapping out and doing something violent. |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by Floorwhore
Well i guess i could hold on to my loonie next time, so he's forced to do something more drastic to survive like say.... get a hold of a gun, hold it to my head at the intersection instead of a squeegy to my windshield, and rob me of my possessions!!?? Or blow my brains out. He doesn't really have anything to lose does he? I'll keep feeding the loonies to the squeegy kids. Keeps my windshield bird free, and the kids from snapping out and doing something violent. |
or you could do something that actually helps them rather then something meaningless that simply serves to allieviate your guilt. |
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| Floorwhore |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
or you could do something that actually helps them rather then something meaningless that simply serves to allieviate your guilt. |
I think it does help. It helps them from not completely losing their minds, and makes them feel like a human being, and not a disease infested street pigeon that s on windshields!! |
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