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DJing live with Traktor
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Now we all know Sasha and a few others have been using Ableton at their gigs but I might be only one of those who actally witnessed a DJ use a laptop and a midi controller just now in a club all I have to say it's an incredibly boring experience. This DJ out of the UK had a Finger Trigger Midi controller, was also running Traktor on his laptop and a mixer...the mixing was ofcourse seamless not a single beat miss.
I don't suppose it takes so much talent anymore when it comes to DJing does it?? |
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| djlemeir |
u guys have to understand that mixing is more than beatmatching
sure traktor will beatmatch, but the rest is up to u. i pulled off some of the nicest sets with just traktor and my mixer, but i always like to incorporate my decks |
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| Rockabye |
| beat-matching is a necessary thing for djs BUT even if you can put 2 tracks synchron all the time you still have to make the transition sound good and interesting and this is something which takes much more time to learn than beat-matching... |
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| blacknoizybox |
yep! +1
beatmatching is a mechanical skill
making the set sound good is what matters ;) |
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| Choobak |
yup.. these "ableton is killing djing" threads are getting really old now.
if you ever actually try out ableton you'll realize how much more creative it lets you be without having to worry about keeping beats locked and hitting your cues spot on... |
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| SpecRadio |
| quote: | Originally posted by Choobak
yup.. these "ableton is killing djing" threads are getting really old now.
if you ever actually try out ableton you'll realize how much more creative it lets you be without having to worry about keeping beats locked and hitting your cues spot on... |
And you have to have every single part of the song in a seprate file on each channel to actually do anything like sasha :wtf:
Mixing in albeton = boring. |
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| s3nate |
| Turntables and CDJ's at least make the DJ look like he/she is doing something. |
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| Rockabye |
| quote: | Originally posted by s3nate
Turntables and CDJ's at least make the DJ look like he/she is doing something. |
but in fact mixing with ableton he's doing so much more.
if you don't have to worry about beatmatching you can focus all your energy on the creative (important) part of the transition... |
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| Zild |
It doesn't really matter. The way it works around here if you show up to do a set with Ableton you better have produced all the tracks you're going to be mixing and had them picked up by major labels if you want any kind of respect.
DJs who haven't proven themselves yet can't just show up with Ableton and expect any kind of positive results, so I don't see what the big deal is. |
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| Rockabye |
maybe 5% of the people in a club care about the way you play the music.
they just wanna have a good time and dance to good music and don't mind if you are behind decks, cd players or a laptop. |
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| Zild |
Like I said none of that matters. Getting booked is a game of politics and popularity. Nobody is going to book an unestablished DJ who uses Traktor or Ableton unless its a club where the people are not there for the music, but are there to get drunk and find a skank to take home.
I'm just telling you the way it works around here and I'm talking about good underground dance music spots where the crowd will laugh their ass off if you're mixing someone else's music on a computer, but then a digital DJ wouldn't make it that far to begin with unless they had produced tracks that were picked up by labels and pressed to vinyl. That is petty much the only way Ableton flys around here.
Yes the established DJs with the connections will go out of their way to blackball someone who doesn't mix traditionally. I've seen a few people say they were switching over to Ableton switch back very quickly after the pressure gets put on them. |
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| Choobak |
| quote: | Originally posted by SpecRadio
And you have to have every single part of the song in a seprate file on each channel to actually do anything like sasha :wtf:
Mixing in albeton = boring. |
Boring to whom? The dj? No. The crowd? No. The 5% of people in the club who obsess over how the music is played and get angry when they don't see a dj rocking vinyl back and forth? Maybe - but then again these people need to reevaluate why they even bother to go out in the first place...
I don't understand why so many people on this site are against new dj technology. Anything that allows people to be more creative shoud be embraced... |
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