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Mentally handicapped having children? (pg. 3)
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| Theresa |
| quote: | Originally posted by Transmotion
Handicapped people with mental deficiency mostly not able to give birth because they born sterile.
Mother nature... |
VERY untrue.
I have worked in and have visited several psyche wards, and have met many "mentally handicapped" people with children. I am not sure where you get this information, but I know that there are enough out there that are certainly abled. |
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| Theresa |
| quote: | Originally posted by Transmotion
Schizophrenia is not a serious mental illness |
ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!?!?
I cannot believe you just said that. Where do you get your information?!?! |
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| DigiNut |
Alright, well barring the home schooling issue and on a more serious note...
I agree with RJ. If they can support the child financially, that's good enough for me. We can go back and forth about "exceptions" to the rule forever. Yeah, maybe the won the lottery - but how many people win the lottery, honestly? Okay, maybe they inherited the money. But if their parents were that successful, surely they were smart enough to appoint a 3rd-party to manage their mentally-handicapped children's inheritance. Okay, maybe they robbed a bank for that money, but that's really society's fault for not catching them and throwing them in jail.
It's pointless to talk about exceptions because policy has to be based on the general case, and in general, if someone's able to make enough money to support a child, surely they can also teach their child to be self-reliant. Maybe they WON'T teach their children that, but there are plenty of mentally "well" parents that fail to teach their children proper values or survival skills. I don't think mental handicap precludes one from imparting those skills, nor does mental fitness automatically mean they will be imparted.
The bottom line is, if they're functioning members of society, it's not your place to decide whether or not they can breed. If we say that the mentally handicapped children, why not people on welfare? If they aren't self-reliant themselves, how can they possibly teach their children to be? |
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| VERTiG0 |
| Hahahah I'm not going to say a goddamn thing. |
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| Transmotion |
| quote: | Originally posted by Theresa
VERY untrue.
I have worked in and have visited several psyche wards, and have met many "mentally handicapped" people with children. I am not sure where you get this information, but I know that there are enough out there that are certainly abled. |
i said MOSTLY not ALL
about where i got the information from ; my mother is a doctor.
and about being in psyche wards.. you never thought that those people maybe were not mentally ill when they born? |
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| Cosmic Fur |
Sex education for the mentally disabled:
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| VERTiG0 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cosmic Fur
Sex education for the mentally disabled:
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Hahah saw this a few years back and it never ceases to make me laugh uncontrollably. |
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| Theresa |
| quote: | Originally posted by Transmotion
i said MOSTLY not ALL
about where i got the information from ; my mother is a doctor.
and about being in psyche wards.. you never thought that those people maybe were not mentally ill when they born? |
Typically a person is born with a defective gene that can spawn and allow a handicap to develop. In some people it will not, whereas others, more likely in drug and alcohol abusers, the gene will. |
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| Transmotion |
| quote: | Originally posted by Theresa
ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!?!?
I cannot believe you just said that. Where do you get your information?!?! |
do you understand what Schizophrenia is?
lets make an example: sick person stands near cashier in the supermarket. suddenly person becomes obsessed with this idea about should he/she take green "chocolate bar" or the "red one" ,based on that person cannot make the decision on wich one he/she wants and starts to panic.
Ofcourse not all people who are mentally ill are on the same stage of sickness. |
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| Theresa |
| quote: | Originally posted by Transmotion
do you understand what Schizophrenia is?
lets make an example: sick person stands near cashier in the supermarket. suddenly person becomes obsessed with this idea about should he/she take green "chocolate bar" or the "red one" ,based on that person cannot make the decision on wich one he/she wants and starts to panic.
Ofcourse not all people who are mentally ill are on the same stage of sickness. |
Do I understand it?
I have two family members who have been diagnosed with it, so I understand it on an intimate level.
Different Types of Schizophrenia:
Paranoid schizophrenia a person feels extremely suspicious, persecuted, grandiose, or experiences a combination of these emotions.
Disorganized schizophrenia a person is often incoherent but may not have delusions.
Catatonic schizophrenia a person is withdrawn, mute, negative and often assumes very unusual postures.
Residual schizophrenia a person is no longer delusion or hallucinating, but has no motivation or interest in life. These symptoms can be most devastating.
Schizophrenia is characterized by at least 2 of the following symptoms, for at least one month:
* Delusions
* Hallucinations
* Disorganized speech (e.g., frequent derailment or incoherence)
* Grossly disorganized or catatonic behavior
* Negative symptoms (e.g., a "flattening" of one's emotions, alogia, avolition; see below) |
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| loca |
| quote: | Originally posted by Theresa
ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!?!?
I cannot believe you just said that. Where do you get your information?!?! |
Last i checked, people with schizophrenia could control it to a certain extent, and sometimes fully, with the proper drugs. Are you saying that based on a mental disease (that is capable of being controlled) the person should not have children?! wtf. |
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| Transmotion |
| quote: | Originally posted by Theresa
Do I understand it?
I have two family members who have been diagnosed with it, so I understand it on an intimate level.
Different Types of Schizophrenia:
Paranoid schizophrenia a person feels extremely suspicious, persecuted, grandiose, or experiences a combination of these emotions.
Disorganized schizophrenia a person is often incoherent but may not have delusions.
Catatonic schizophrenia a person is withdrawn, mute, negative and often assumes very unusual postures.
Residual schizophrenia a person is no longer delusion or hallucinating, but has no motivation or interest in life. These symptoms can be most devastating.
Schizophrenia is characterized by at least 2 of the following symptoms, for at least one month:
* Delusions
* Hallucinations
* Disorganized speech (e.g., frequent derailment or incoherence)
* Grossly disorganized or catatonic behavior
* Negative symptoms (e.g., a "flattening" of one's emotions, alogia, avolition; see below) |
And now tell me that schizophrenia is a serious mental illness. |
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