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Iran's Ahmadinejad casts doubt on Holocaust
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| St_Andrew |
| quote: | Iran's Ahmadinejad casts doubt on Holocaust
Thu Dec 8, 2005 6:40 PM GMT166
TEHRAN (Reuters) - Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad on Thursday expressed doubt the Holocaust took place and suggested the Jewish state of Israel be moved to Europe.
His comments, reported by Iran's official IRNA news agency from a news conference he gave in the Saudi Arabian city of Mecca, follow his call in October for Israel to be "wiped off the map", which sparked widespread international outrage.
The latest comments also provoked quick condemnation. German Chancellor Angela Merkel called them "totally unacceptable" and British Foreign Secretary Jack Straw said "I condemn them unreservedly. They have no place in civilised political debate."
Ahmadinejad was quoted by IRNA as saying: "Some European countries insist on saying that Hitler killed millions of innocent Jews in furnaces and they insist on it to the extent that if anyone proves something contrary to that they condemn that person and throw them in jail."
"Although we don't accept this claim, if we suppose it is true, our question for the Europeans is: is the killing of innocent Jewish people by Hitler the reason for their support to the occupiers of Jerusalem?" he said.
"If the Europeans are honest they should give some of their provinces in Europe -- like in Germany, Austria or other countries -- to the Zionists and the Zionists can establish their state in Europe. You offer part of Europe and we will support it."
Historians say six million Jews were killed at the hands of Germany's 1933-1945 Nazi regime. Ahmadinejad's remarks drew swift rebukes from Israel and Washington.
ISRAEL, WASHINGTON RESPOND
Raanan Gissin, a spokesman for Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, said in Tel Aviv Ahmadinejad was voicing "the consensus that exists in many circles in the Arab world that the Jewish people ... do not have the right to establish a Jewish, democratic state in their ancestral homeland".
"Just to remind Mr. Ahmadinejad, we've been here long before his ancestors were here," Gissin said. "Therefore, we have a birthright to be here in the land of our forefathers and to live here. Thank God we have the capability to deter and to prevent such a statement from becoming a reality."
White House spokesman Scott McClellan said: "It just further underscores our concerns about the regime in Iran and it's all the more reason why it's so important that the regime not have the ability to develop nuclear weapons."
A news conference with French President Jacques Chirac near Berlin, Merkel also said: "With our historical responsibility in mind, I can only say that we reject them (Ahmadinejad's comments) in the harshest possible terms.
"We will do everything to make it clear that Israel's right to existence is in no way endangered. I am firmly convinced that a majority in the international community has a similar opinion on this issue," she said. Chirac said he agreed completely.
Religious hardliners in Iran do not publicly deny the Holocaust occurred but say its scale has been exaggerated to justify the creation of Israel and continued Western support for it.
Close allies when Iran was ruled by the U.S.-backed Shah, Iran and Israel have become implacable foes since Iran's 1979 Islamic revolution.
Israel accuses Iran of giving arms and funding to militant Palestinian groups such as Islamic Jihad and of building nuclear weapons. Iran denies the charges.
Tehran calls Israel a "terrorist state" and has developed missiles which can reach it. It says it would use them if Israel, itself believed to be nuclear armed, tried to bomb Iranian nuclear facilities. |
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| Fir3start3r |
That's messed up...
I guess since he didn't actually see it, it didn't exist... :rolleyes: |
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| George Smiley |
Er...
Not seen this story elsewhere so only goin on what he said in that top article and he doesn't say it didn't happen or that he thinks it might not have happened. He says the Jewish state should be in Europe. I can certainly see a headline in a newspaper saying he casts doubts on it happening! |
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| George Smiley |
| quote: | Originally posted by George Smiley
Er...
Not seen this story elsewhere so only goin on what he said in that top article and he doesn't say it didn't happen or that he thinks it might not have happened. He says the Jewish state should be in Europe. I can certainly see a headline in a newspaper saying he casts doubts on it happening! |
My bad!
I thought when he said 'we dont accept this claim' he meant about some people denying it...oh well... |
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| malek |
funniest all day.
Lets move Israel to Europe.
he's gonna get his ass bombed. |
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| NebulousQ |
| quote: | | Some European countries insist on saying that Hitler killed millions of innocent Jews in furnaces and they insist on it to the extent that if anyone proves something contrary to that they condemn that person and throw them in jail. |
I dont understand people who say the holocaust never happened and claim that all the historical documents, media, whatever that are about it are fake.
I have seen photos and videos of the aftermath of the prison camps, read first hand accounts of it, heard veterans talk of walking into such camps, read books and textbooks about it, know that many historians accept it, etc.
If I were to say that all this was fake and that the holocaust never happened, then I would have to doubt every thing I ever thought I knew about history. This would be becuase the way I think and get my evidence for the holocaust is the same way and pretty much from the same sources I base the knowledge of the rest of my history off of. |
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| dj_ilan_yosef |
| quote: | Originally posted by NebulousQ
If I were to say that all this was fake and that the holocaust never happened, then I would have to doubt every thing I ever thought I knew about history. This would be becuase the way I think and get my evidence for the holocaust is the same way and pretty much from the same sources I base the knowledge of the rest of my history off of. |
Great point |
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| Cyrus King |
This guy is pretty funny.
I always laugh when i read his statements.
someone told me today that he is basically saying what everyone else thinks but are too afraid to say it publicly.
What do you guys think? |
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| dj_ilan_yosef |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cyrus King
This guy is pretty funny.
I always laugh when i read his statements.
someone told me today that he is basically saying what everyone else thinks but are too afraid to say it publicly.
What do you guys think? |
I think he's a foolish extremist and should be viewed as such.
Israel should stay right where she is.... All other points/reasons aside -wouldn't it be easier to remove the smaller group of people (ie. the arab-palestinians) into the 25 or so muslim countries surrounding Israel, rather than uprooting a whole established world class country onto a different continent!
PS. If everyone thinks that way and is afraid to say it... well then simply put, youre even more pathetic than this loser - at least he's voicing his bull opinions - he has come to terms with being a murderous minded racist islamic fundamentalist, while those who think it and dont say it are just undercover cockroaches sneaking around unnoticed - *wink wink* |
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| Lepanto |
| quote: | Originally posted by dj_ilan_yosef
I think he's a foolish extremist and should be viewed as such.
Israel should stay right where she is.... All other points/reasons aside -wouldn't it be easier to remove the smaller group of people (ie. the arab-palestinians) into the 25 or so muslim countries surrounding Israel, rather than uprooting a whole established world class country onto a different continent!
PS. If everyone thinks that way and is afraid to say it... well then simply put, youre even more pathetic than this loser - at least he's voicing his bull opinions - he has come to terms with being a murderous minded racist islamic fundamentalist, while those who think it and dont say it are just undercover cockroaches sneaking around unnoticed - *wink wink* |
+1
i guess people are also skeptical on the holocaust so that's why they don't teach about this aspect of history in schools...and i've went to schools in 3 countries. |
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| Cyrus King |
| quote: | Originally posted by dj_ilan_yosef
I think he's a foolish extremist and should be viewed as such.
Israel should stay right where she is.... All other points/reasons aside -wouldn't it be easier to remove the smaller group of people (ie. the arab-palestinians) into the 25 or so muslim countries surrounding Israel, rather than uprooting a whole established world class country onto a different continent!
PS. If everyone thinks that way and is afraid to say it... well then simply put, youre even more pathetic than this loser - at least he's voicing his bull opinions - he has come to terms with being a murderous minded racist islamic fundamentalist, while those who think it and dont say it are just undercover cockroaches sneaking around unnoticed - *wink wink* |
You coming to Marco V tonight? :) |
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| St_Andrew |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cyrus King
You coming to Marco V tonight? :) |
You wanna stab him or you are actually friends in real life? :p |
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