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Liberals to ban Handguns
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| Euphorica |
*cue* Jay ;)
lollers. i think this is a stupid idea! It wont solve ANYTHING! Stupid David Miller says "THis is great news for Toronto"...
how so?
Punishing the thousands of responsible hand gun owners in canada. Not even allow collectors to have them unless they can prove its been fixed to not fire.
Complete horse . Banning hand guns will do -45969x nothing to stop the gun violence out there. (especially in Toronto) THe people who commit such violent acts with guns, did not purchase guns legally.
The majority of these guns are smuggled weapons from the US. Sure some are stolen from resposible owners, but even if you take them away , its not like there will be less illegal weapons out there.
It wont do a thing to solve the gun crime . Not that im super duper gun man, but I realize responsible owners use them for sport, enjoyment and fun and shouldnt be punished because a bunch of pansy thugs buy illegal hand guns.
Why not do something more useful like having a plan to crack down on the smuggling of weapons, or put more cops in problem prone areas? Why not try to start programs to help such areas. Make punishments more harsh for gun related crimes etc.
The gun ban would be useless. |
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| EvilTree |
I just don't understand the mentality of banning guns that people purchased legally and registered.
I wonder what the statistics is of gun crimes committed by guns registered vs guns unregistered.
Dumb move, Martin. It's not going to win you many votes. |
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| mushyflowa |
| quote: | Originally posted by Euphorica
*cue* Jay ;)
lollers. i think this is a stupid idea! It wont solve ANYTHING! Stupid David Miller says "THis is great news for Toronto"...
how so?
Punishing the thousands of responsible hand gun owners in canada. Not even allow collectors to have them unless they can prove its been fixed to not fire.
Complete horse . Banning hand guns will do -45969x nothing to stop the gun violence out there. (especially in Toronto) THe people who commit such violent acts with guns, did not purchase guns legally.
The majority of these guns are smuggled weapons from the US. Sure some are stolen from resposible owners, but even if you take them away , its not like there will be less illegal weapons out there.
It wont do a thing to solve the gun crime . Not that im super duper gun man, but I realize responsible owners use them for sport, enjoyment and fun and shouldnt be punished because a bunch of pansy thugs buy illegal hand guns.
Why not do something more useful like having a plan to crack down on the smuggling of weapons, or put more cops in problem prone areas? Why not try to start programs to help such areas. Make punishments more harsh for gun related crimes etc.
The gun ban would be useless. |
damn!
who voted for that head? |
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| Jayx1 |
More liberal smoke and mirrors. At least this time you guys realize it. I like Harper's idea better. Minimum sentances for those caught using guns in comission of a crime. If it doesnt make them think twice it will at least remove the threat from society for that much longer. Martin's idea will be just as useless as the $2 Billion gun registry.
Apparently if we are to believe the polls, at this point the liberals will have an even smaller minority. But the sad part is that there are still enough buttheads in this country that would actually vote for the Liberals to become government. Hopefully that will change by January. |
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| Transmotion |
| what do you need a handgun for? |
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| EvilTree |
| quote: | Originally posted by Transmotion
what do you need a handgun for? |
Home protection?
Shooting for fun? |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Transmotion
what do you need a handgun for? |
some people collect antique guns. Others use them for sport at a shooting range.
Even if they had no use, banning them wont solve anything.
In fact this is what the people who were opposed to the gun registry were saying at the time it was introduced. "the government will know about our guns so they can take them away from us in the future." Looks like they were right.
And this is exactly why im against so many ideas and laws that seem like a good idea at the time. Because it always leads to something more intrusive.
I dont like guns. I dont like having them in society. But they are here and they arent going away because of some stupid law. What is needed are tougher penalties for those who commit the crimes. NOT making criminals out of honest citizens. |
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| ShadoWolf |
Don't ban guns, BAN LIEBERALS.
http://www.libertarian.ca/english/n...r-liberals.html
Libertarian Leader Demands that Elections Canada Deregister Liberal Party
November 24, 2005 - Ottawa, Ontario.
Mr. Jean-Pierre Kingsley
Chief Electoral Officer
Elections Canada
257 Slater Street
Ottawa ON K1A 0M6
The Honourable Anne McLellan
Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness
Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness Canada
340 Laurier Avenue West
Ottawa ON K1A 0P8
Dear Sir and Madame,
Following Judge Gomery’s report confirming that the Liberal Party acquired funds illegally through the Sponsorship Program, I am formally filing a complaint against the Liberal Party of Canada.
The Libertarian Party of Canada demands that the full weight of the Elections Act be enforced and demands the Liberal Party of Canada be deregistered. The Liberals confirmed their own guilt when they remitted $1.3 million to Canadian taxpayers.
Serious questions arise whether $1.3 million is the total amount of the illegal funds received by the Liberal Party. Regardless, the $1.3 million secured past election “victories”. These past violations once again contravene the Elections Act of Canada.
The Libertarian Party of Canada requests that Elections Canada fulfil its obligations and act immediately.
Yours truly,
Jean-Serge Brisson
Leader, Libertarian Party of Canada
2052 Ste-Marie,
Embrun, Ontario
K0A 1W0 |
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| djdarreng |
the only handguns that should not be affected by this are ones that have had their barrels permanently sealed and the firing pins removed.(giving collectors the right)
nuff said....im all for the ban
i cant stand paul martin and this is a stupid gesture to win voter appeal
but i am sure i could make it through without handguns
come on |
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| zokissima |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
Apparently if we are to believe the polls, at this point the liberals will have an even smaller minority. But the sad part is that there are still enough buttheads in this country that would actually vote for the Liberals to become government. Hopefully that will change by January. |
But whom else to vote for?
What was that option to vote for a non-party, or give up your vote? |
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| ShadoWolf |
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/1440764.stm
Handgun crime 'up' despite ban
A new study suggests the use of handguns in crime rose by 40% in the two years after the weapons were banned.
The research, commissioned by the Countryside Alliance's Campaign for Shooting, has concluded that existing laws are targeting legitimate users of firearms rather than criminals.
The ban on ownership of handguns was introduced in 1997 as a result of the Dunblane massacre, when Thomas Hamilton opened fire at a primary school leaving 16 children and their teacher dead.
Existing gun laws do not lead to crime reduction and a safer place
David Bredin
Campaign for Shooting
But the report suggests that despite the restrictions on ownership the use of handguns in crime is rising.
The Centre for Defence Studies at Kings College in London, which carried out the research, said the number of crimes in which a handgun was reported increased from 2,648 in 1997/98 to 3,685 in 1999/2000.
It also said there was no link between high levels of gun crime and areas where there were still high levels of lawful gun possession.
Of the 20 police areas with the lowest number of legally held firearms, 10 had an above average level of gun crime.
And of the 20 police areas with the highest levels of legally held guns only two had armed crime levels above the average.
Smuggling
The campaign's director, David Bredin, said: "It is crystal clear from the research that the existing gun laws do not lead to crime reduction and a safer place.
"Policy makers have targeted the legitimate sporting and farming communities with ever-tighter laws but the research clearly demonstrates that it is illegal guns which are the real threat to public safety."
He said the rise was largely down to successful smuggling of illegal guns into the country.
Weapons have even been disguised as key rings no larger than a matchbox to get them in, he said.
Other sources of guns include battlefield trophies brought back by soldiers, the illegal conversion of replica firearms including blank firing pistols and the reactivation of weapons which had been deactivated.
Examples of illegally manufactured guns include screwdrivers being adapted to fire off one round, he said.
The Metropolitan Police said its official figures showed a 20% drop in armed robberies of commercial premises between April and July this year, compared with the same period last year.
A Scotland Yard spokesman said that, since April 2001, the Flying Squad has arrested 39 people in connection with 34 armed incidents and seized 52 weapons.
Operation Trident, which investigates "black on black" shootings in the UK, has made more than 300 arrests, recovered 100 firearms and 1,500 rounds of ammunition since it was established a year ago.
The Home Office said measures were being taken to tackle handgun crime, including an intensified effort against illegally smuggled weapons. |
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| ShadoWolf |
Firing blanks
National Post
Friday, December 09, 2005
Something must be done about the gun violence that plagues this country's cities. But the something offered by Paul Martin and the Liberals yesterday represents, effectively, nothing.
The proposed handgun ban is a symbolic, politically motivated act -- and would be as ineffective here as similarly motivated bans have proven to be in other countries. As the Liberals surely understand, the vast majority of gun crimes are committed with illegal weapons. According to one Statistics Canada study of gun murders, 84% of the firearms used were not registered. Criminals are surely no more likely to submit to a legislated gun ban than they were to register the guns in the first place.
Mr. Martin has made much of the fact that the Liberals' new plan would borrow heavily from the Australian model. But that nation's gun control experiment has been a failure. As John R. Lott pointed out in these pages in October, Australia saw its crime rates rise 32% and its armed robbery rates rise 74% in the six years following the nation's adoption of tougher gun controls in 1996. The U.K. fared little better after it banned handguns in 1997, as gun crimes almost doubled in England and Wales from 1998-99 to 2002-03.
It is hard to accept that Mr. Martin seriously believes that violent criminals, the same goons who do not think twice about committing a murder, will submit to the prohibition, or indeed that it will have any impact on the problem whatsoever. The idea, then, that he would campaign on it with his tongue in his cheek makes it all the worse.
Not only would such a prohibition be ineffectual, it would also unfairly target all the law-abiding handgun owners -- the target shooters and collectors -- who have dutifully (and, as it turns out, naively) registered their guns for decades, believing the government's assurances that, no, registration was not to be the first step toward confiscation. We now see that it was.
As if to add insult to injury, Mr. Martin spent a part of yesterday morning's news conference emphasizing, in a righteous tone, that under the new regulations, there would be more stringent health checks and regulations for target shooters. We hardly think that the people living in crime-plagued low income neighbourhoods where so many gang shootings take place will rest any easier knowing that unhealthy skeet shooters will have to give up their guns.
The handgun ban is not only a bad idea, but a bad idea that threatens to cost Canadians a great deal of money. As we have seen with the fiasco surrounding the gun registry, the federal government is fully capable of taking a simple sounding $2-million plan and make it cost $2-billion.
Canada does have a gun violence problem, but seizing guns belonging to target shooters and collectors is not the solution. Thankfully, as the letters published on the facing page attest, ordinary Canadians realize this. Mr. Martin's new proposal may not disadvantage criminals. But it certainly will do much to repel voters. |
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