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This is sad but debatable. Did the marshall do the right thing?
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It's sad that it happened, but you don't go round saying that you have a bomb or drugs or any threat for that matter, while flying. Everybody knows that. But then again, he was supposedly mentally ill.
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| Orko |
IF, and thats a BIG IF, the incident happened as claimed, he totally did the right thing.
You cant take chances like that around planes anymore.
Although what suicide bomber would actually say he has a bomb? Stil cannot take any chances. |
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| EvilTree |
Well, did the marshal know that this man was mentally ill?
If he didn't, obviously he was right to use deadly force to protect others. |
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| Protosis |
He said he had a bomb in his bag, and while running away with arms flailing reaches for it.
I would totally shoot the guy. |
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| Jayx1 |
| its a tragic situation but air marshalls in a situation like that cant stop and do a psychological assessment. It's act based on actions. Id argue that mental illness is the cause for many crimes anyways. You cant be in the right state of mind to blow up a plane for example. |
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| jon jon |
| quote: | Originally posted by Protosis
He said he had a bomb in his bag, and while running away with arms flailing reaches for it.
I would totally shoot the guy. |
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| TrickDaddE |
What was shooting him supposed to achieve...
Stop the bomb from detonating???? |
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| Tordan |
| quote: | Originally posted by TrickDaddE
What was shooting him supposed to achieve...
Stop the bomb from detonating???? |
to stop HIM from detonating the bomb. |
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| loca |
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Airline bomb claim unravels
Adam Harvey in New York
10dec05
THE man who was shot and killed by US air marshals in Miami on Thursday appeared to suffer a panic attack and never spoke of a bomb, says a passenger who watched Rigoberto Alpizar dash up the plane's aisle.
US authorities said Alpizar, 44, was shot and killed after threatening to detonate a bomb aboard an American Airlines plane.
"He threatened that he had a bomb in his backpack," Homeland Security Department spokesman Brian Doyle said.
"The officers clearly identified themselves and yelled at him to 'get down, get down'. Instead, he made a move toward the backpack."
But the incident is now being compared with July's shooting of an innocent Brazilian electrician on the London Underground.
"He just wanted to get off the plane," said passenger John McAlhany, who was sitting in the middle of the Boeing 757.
Alpizar was mentally ill, his neighbours said, but treated his condition with medication.
Alpizar's sister-in-law Jeanne Jentsch read a brief statement to the media, describing him as "a loving, gentle and caring husband, uncle, brother, son and friend who will be sorely missed by those who knew him".
Mr McAlhany told Time magazine he was sitting in the middle of the plane when he heard Alpizar arguing with his wife, saying: "I have to get off the plane."
She said: "Calm down."
Alpizar, who was sitting near the back of the plane, ran down the aisle, his wife close behind.
"She was running behind him saying, 'He's sick. He's sick. He's ill. He's got a disorder,' " Mr McAlhany recalled. "I don't know if she said bipolar disorder (as one witness has alleged). She was trying to explain to the marshals that he was ill. He just wanted to get off the plane.
"I never heard the word 'bomb' until the FBI asked me: 'Did you hear the word bomb?' "
The authorities would not mention the word "bomb", Mr McAlhany said.
"They asked: 'Did you hear anything about the B-word?'
"That's what they called it."
Mr McAlhany said it would have been difficult for Alpizar to lie on the ground as directed by agents because he had a bum bag hanging in front of his waist.
"You can't get on the ground with a fanny pack," he said. "You have to move it to the side."
By the time Alpizar made it to the front of the plane, the crew had ordered the rest of the passengers to get down between the seats.
"I didn't see him get shot," Mr McAlhany said. "They kept telling me to get down. I heard about five shots. I was on the phone with my brother. Somebody came down the aisle and put a shotgun to the back of my head and said, 'Put your hands on the seat in front of you.'
"I got my cell phone karate-chopped out of my hand. Then I realised it was an official."
Mr McAlhany said the security officers had overreacted.
"They were pointing the guns directly at us instead of pointing them to the ground," he said.
"One little girl was crying. There was a lady crying all the way to the hotel."
US officials yesterday defended the shooting as a "textbook" response to a security threat.
The White House said an investigation would determine whether there were lessons to be learned from the killing.
The two federal air marshals involved in the shooting were put on paid leave pending an inquiry. |
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Air marshals shoot passenger after bomb claims
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AM - Thursday, 8 December , 2005 08:04:00
Reporter: Michael Rowland
TONY EASTLEY: There's been high drama at Miami's international airport this morning, after US air marshals shot dead a passenger who reportedly claimed to have a bomb onboard an American Airlines plane which was parked at the terminal.
It's understood it's the first time that air marshals in the US have used lethal force.
Our North America Correspondent Michael Rowland joins us now.
Michael, how did this drama unfold?
MICHAEL ROWLAND: The plane, Tony, had just landed from a flight from the Columbian city of Medellin, according to passengers on the American Airlines flight 924.
The passenger sitting in the very back of the plane got up and started running aggressively up the aisle, according to one passenger's account.
Another passenger claims he was sitting with his wife and his wife was trying to tell attendants that he hadn't taken his medication for his bipolar disorder.
He was running up the aisle and air marshals tried to stop him. He got as far as the jetway leading from the plane to the terminal at Miami before air marshals started firing.
He was shot. Initial reports were that he was wounded, but the news has just come through that he was killed.
TONY EASTLEY: And, Michael, what was happening on the plane while all this was going on? And are there any reports that this man was armed at all?
MICHAEL ROWLAND: Reports flying through now claim that he wasn't armed.
Police and air marshals now investigating at the scene say there's no evidence that he was carrying either a gun or any sort of explosive device. And we're relying on these passenger reports that suggest that he had some sort of mental disorder.
The plane had just landed. Passengers were told to stay in their seats, as is the case with every plane arriving at terminals.
This man got up, and that obviously raised the antennae of the air marshals onboard planes, as they are onboard most planes after the September 11 terrorist attacks, and they tried to stop him, and the reports suggest that he reached into his bag and that's when the firing started.
TONY EASTLEY: Of course, post-September 11, air marshals were one of the controversial safety issues introduced on airlines around the world, but particularly in the United States.
Is this likely to add to that controversy?
MICHAEL ROWLAND: It will indeed.
It's, from my recollection, the first time something like this has happened. Of course, we've had air marshals onboard most American commercial jets since that fateful day in September more than four years ago.
It's the first time, certainly, shots have been fired and certainly somebody's been killed by an air marshal.
So, there'll be a lot of investigations, possibly recriminations if these reports do turn out to be true that this man wasn't armed or wasn't carrying any explosive devices. And it could lead many to question the tactics used by these air marshals aboard the flights and whether they're potentially a bit too sensitive to potential threats to the planes.
TONY EASTLEY: Now, Michael, you mentioned before that the man was shot, as I understand it, as he was running off the plane and he was in that air bridge, that section of construction between the plane and the terminal itself.
Was anyone else hurt in this incident?
MICHAEL ROWLAND: Initial reports, Tony, suggest that nobody else was hurt.
In fact, that might have been something that delayed any action by the air marshals, the fact that this gentleman was running down the aisle of obviously a very, very crowded plane. And any shots fired on the plane could have caused injuries to other passengers.
But we, from the initial reports, and they are still very initial reports, this incident only happened all of about 45 minutes ago, the initial reports suggest that nobody else was wounded in this incident.
TONY EASTLEY: Our North America Correspondent, Michael Rowland.
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What a waste of life. Being a person who suffers from panic attacks i can totally understand why the man would want to get off the plane in a hurry. I know if i was in his situation i would have legged it off that plane as fast as i could as well. If people on the plane said he was no threat, and that he made no mention of a bomb, wtf was the point in shooting the poor guy? Just because he was nervous and anxious to get off the plane?! :wtf: |
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| cyper |
People with guns = Itchy Trigger finger
People who carry guns start to replace their common sense with the bullets in the weapon.
People in authority are suppose to use guns as a LAST RESORT. For some reason the gun makes them easily forget this.
Didnt the Marshall have a taser, pepper spray, or a beat-em-up stick that he could have used on the guy instead of a firearm? |
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| Protosis |
I might as well wait until the smoke clears and the 'real' story comes out before making an opinion.
Too many conflicting views, be careful to not put too much faith into eye witness accounts I've personally seen some reporters fake em to sensationalize a story. |
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