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| Choobak |
| quote: | Originally posted by avikonen
The MTA gave them everything else include 8% pay raises for the next 3 years and a retirement age of 55.
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According to the New York Times they were offered, 3, 4 and 3.5 percent raises over the next few years - a far cry from 8 percent a year... which makes the strike seem a bit more reasonable.
If they had in fact been on strike with an offer for wage increases of greater than 25% over the next 3 years, I would have really lost respect for their efforts... |
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| Groundhog Boy |
| quote: | Originally posted by Choobak
According to the New York Times they were offered, 3, 4 and 3.5 percent raises over the next few years - a far cry from 8 percent a year... which makes the strike seem a bit more reasonable.
If they had in fact been on strike with an offer for wage increases of greater than 25% over the next 3 years, I would have really lost respect for their efforts... |
That's the same breakdown they were showing on the news today. Also, from what I heard, the TWU had dropped from 8 to 6 percent as their request. It seems like they're the only ones who are willing to move at all.
I love how there aren't even talks going on. Then again, if I worked for the TWU, I wouldn't meet either if there was nothing more than threats offered to workers and union officials.
Looking forward to the walk tomorrow. Shouldn't be awful, it's only 3.05 miles from 14th in Alphabet City to Battery Park. |
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| avikonen |
I shoulda waited till there were more corroborating news sources ;) Hope this doesn't go much longer...
| quote: | Originally posted by Groundhog Boy
That's the same breakdown they were showing on the news today. Also, from what I heard, the TWU had dropped from 8 to 6 percent as their request. It seems like they're the only ones who are willing to move at all.
I love how there aren't even talks going on. Then again, if I worked for the TWU, I wouldn't meet either if there was nothing more than threats offered to workers and union officials.
Looking forward to the walk tomorrow. Shouldn't be awful, it's only 3.05 miles from 14th in Alphabet City to Battery Park. |
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| LuNaSeA |
i feel bad for you guys and i even feel it here in jersey... i work right by the george washington bridge and the traffic was at a crawl today..
it just really aggravates me that they did this NOW of all times. i think holding this strike at this time of the year was extremely cruel. there are 7 million victims that didn't do anything to deserve this. couldn't they at least wait til spring? ffs. |
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| Blake |
| quote: | Originally posted by kadomony
well now the union's being fined 1 mil a day :rolleyes: |
Someone at work last night reminded me that they can appeal all of the charges. *sigh* :(
Bloomberg isn't allowing for negotiations until TWU is off of strike ha! He must have called Giuliani and asked for advice.:rolleyes:
Fortunately for the other 8million ppl here, they don't have the funds to sustain a strike for much longer. |
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| phuzzyfish12 |
| quote: | Originally posted by LuNaSeA
i feel bad for you guys and i even feel it here in jersey... i work right by the george washington bridge and the traffic was at a crawl today..
it just really aggravates me that they did this NOW of all times. i think holding this strike at this time of the year was extremely cruel. there are 7 million victims that didn't do anything to deserve this. couldn't they at least wait til spring? ffs. |
Its not like they sat around and where like no lets wait until the week of Christmas to strike....yea yea that would be great. Come on you guys. They where gettin screwed, we get screwed every time we walk on to the subway, at least they have the balls to stick up for themselves, there families and yes even us the rider. If they know they can walk allover there employees like that, imagine what they think of the dumb rider that actually PAYS to deal with this .
Sorry Dani...not directed to you. Your the lucky one of many to say the same thing that i quoted....its all out of love :) |
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| LuNaSeA |
| quote: | Originally posted by phuzzyfish12
Its not like they sat around and where like no lets wait until the week of Christmas to strike....yea yea that would be great. Come on you guys. They where gettin screwed, we get screwed every time we walk on to the subway, at least they have the balls to stick up for themselves, there families and yes even us the rider. If they know they can walk allover there employees like that, imagine what they think of the dumb rider that actually PAYS to deal with this .
Sorry Dani...not directed to you. Your the lucky one of many to say the samw thing that quoted....its all out of love :) |
it's ok- i mean i Agree with the fact that they should get better benefits--- i should have specified my comments to the organizers/managers of TWU, not the MTA workers. |
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| DJ_Lord |
| Hahaha I know this kid who walked from 59th to 116th! :eek: :clown: :disbelief |
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| hitokiri |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ_Lord
Hahaha I know this kid who walked from 59th to 116th! :eek: :clown: :disbelief |
blah weeeak dood i walked in the cold from 107 to queens plaza .... just for the hell of it !!!:wtf: |
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| Groundhog Boy |
No matter what side you're on, I think everyone will agree that this isn't going to be helpful in ending the strike. It's like, OK, come in to negotiate the contract and when you do, we'll arrest you. I guess it's to be expected seeing as how all along the MTA has thought it could strongarm the union rather than actually negotiate.
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| quote: | NEW YORK -- The city and state stepped up their pressure on striking transit workers Wednesday in hopes of forcing them back to work, and a judge said he may send union leaders to jail for failing to end the walkout.
State Supreme Court Justice Theodore Jones, who is hearing several legal issues related to the strike, directed attorneys from the Transport Workers Union to bring president Roger Toussaint and other top officials before the court Thursday to answer to a criminal contempt charge. He said he may sentence the union leaders to jail for refusing to end the strike, calling such a scenario a "distinct possibility."
Union lawyer Arthur Schwartz said the union leaders are in negotiations with mediators and that hauling them into court could halt the talks.
The possibility of jail time for union leaders was one of several developments Wednesday as millions of New Yorkers trudged to work in another bone-chilling commute without subways and buses. Mayor Michael Bloomberg repeatedly lashed out at the union during a news conference at City Hall.
"It needs to end, and it needs to end right now," Bloomberg said. For a second straight day, the mayor ripped what he called an "intolerable, unfortunate and unnecessary" strike. And he questioned how union leaders could claim their walkout was done to benefit the city's working class.
"Working people are the ones who are being hurt," Bloomberg said. "The busboy is getting hurt, the garment industry worker is getting hurt, the owners of mom and pop businesses ... The ones getting hurt the most are the ones who can least afford it. If they don't get paid, they don't eat."
The strike was responsible for a 40 percent decline in business at restaurants, an 80 percent decline in visitors at museums, and a 90 percent decline in customers at the Fulton Mall in Brooklyn, the mayor said.
Michael A. Cardozo, New York City's corporation counsel, asked the judge to issue an order directing union members to return to work. If the order is granted, Cardozo said, the city could ask for $25,000-a-day fines per worker -- a punishment that goes beyond the docked-pay penalty that workers already are experiencing for the illegal strike.
"We're doing everything possible to make the union obey the law," he said, adding that union members need to "realize the ey's above the`da4( and everyone should obey the law."
The International TWU, the working. The only way to a contract, he said, is "not by strike but continued negotiation."
Police say there have been no strike-related crimes, injuries or arrests with the exception of two minor incidents.
On Tuesday night, a cab driver was arrested on the Upper East Side for allegedly assaulting a woman in his cab after they got into an argument over the fare. She sustained minor injuries. And earlier Tuesday, a police officer was accidentally bumped by a flatbed truck at a checkpoint in Queens.
"The city is functioning, and functioning well considering the severe circumstances," Bloomberg said before ripping into the union.
The TWU "shamefully decided they don't care about the people they work for, and they have no respect for the law," the mayor said.
Isaac Flores, who works at a law firm in midtown, was part of a complicated, four-person car pool to get to work Wednesday morning. "They're too spoiled," Flores said of the transit workers. "They want to retire at age 55. They're making more money than a cop."
Flores traveled in a car pool with Myra Sanoguet, who saw a group of pickets in upper Manhattan as their car drove past.
"We were thinking about running them over just now," Sanoguet said.
In its last offer before negotiations broke down, the MTA had proposed increasing contributions to the pension plan from 2 percent to 6 percent. Union officials said that such a change would be impossible for the union to accept.
"Were it not for the pension piece, we would not be out on strike," Toussaint said in an interview with NY1. "All it needs to do is take its pension proposal off the table."
The union said the latest MTA offer included annual raises of 3 percent, 4 percent and 3.5 percent; the previous proposal included 3 percent raises each year.
The MTA asked the Public Employment Relations Board to formally declare an impasse, the first step toward forcing binding arbitration of the contract, said James Edgar, the board's executive director.
The strike was expected to cost the city hundreds of millions of dollars per day. |
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| hitokiri |
| after watching that clown patakis conference all i can say is wow... what a tool:stongue: :stongue: :haha: |
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