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| stevieboy32808 |
| quote: | Originally posted by hitokiri
blah weeeak dood i walked in the cold from 107 to queens plaza .... just for the hell of it !!!:wtf: |
hahhhahaah, that made me laugh.
As for the strike I think it's justified what they're doing. Now you people realize how important they are in keeping NYC moving so don't take these guys for granted. Hopefully something will solidify and they will get what they want out of their contracts. |
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| langxazn |
Tomorrow is Day 3
How long can we last this strike?> |
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| Blake |
| quote: | Originally posted by stevieboy32808
hahhhahaah, that made me laugh.
As for the strike I think it's justified what they're doing. Now you people realize how important they are in keeping NYC moving so don't take these guys for granted. Hopefully something will solidify and they will get what they want out of their contracts. |
I don't know about realizing just how important they are. I heard that on the highway exits there are transit strike picketters ... being flipped off and cursed out by thousands of NYC drivers as they drive by. |
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| herc750iL |
Unbelievable.
Average Salary for a Subway/Bus operator - $62,000
Starting Salary for a NYPD Police officer - $25,100
Salary increases-8% requested by thw TWU
-3.5% for general public
Age at retirement-55 for TWU
-65 for us (if we're in' lucky)
in rats. Why did I go to college? I could drive a in' BUS!
unions destroy what they once intended to protect. |
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| Groundhog Boy |
| quote: | Originally posted by herc750iL
Unbelievable.
Average Salary for a Subway/Bus operator - $62,000
Starting Salary for a NYPD Police officer - $25,100
Salary increases-8% requested by thw TWU
-3.5% for general public
Age at retirement-55 for TWU
-65 for us (if we're in' lucky)
in rats. Why did I go to college? I could drive a in' BUS!
unions destroy what they once intended to protect. |
First, you don't see a problem in comparing starting and average salaries? It might be a little more fair if you didn't compare apples and oranges.
Also, can you post a source for those figures. From what I've seen the average salary is $48,000 for all TWU workers. You are right in that bus drivers make an average of $62,000, but that's just one position amongst the union workers. It's also one of the more difficult ones and probably the highest paid. I'd like to see you navigate one of those buses all day in Manhattan's streets. Most people have trouble navigating their SUVs, let alone a 60 foot bus (Source)
As for salary increase for the general public, I have no problem in saying that I've received a raise of 13% and 8% the past two years, and the smaller figure the 2nd year was the result of a bigger bonus. I guess I'm just an amazing employee, because I must be really skewing the 3.5% average.
People retire at whatever age they want to these days. For these people, many of whom work jobs that I'm sure when compared to the national averages cause earlier death, whether it be stress related, health issues from exposure to the stuff that's in the subway tunnels, etc, they probably live as many years following retirement as the 62 year old blue collar worker. I mean, have you ever looked at some of the older workers in the subway? They look worn out from life.
OK, I guess I've said enough, I'm just trying to point out some of the flaws in your logic when you just throw out a few figures and try to sway opinions with them. |
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| Cobra Commander |
| This thread hahaha |
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| herc750iL |
| quote: | Originally posted by Groundhog Boy
First, you don't see a problem in comparing starting and average salaries? It might be a little more fair if you didn't compare apples and oranges.
Also, can you post a source for those figures. From what I've seen the average salary is $48,000 for all TWU workers. You are right in that bus drivers make an average of $62,000, but that's just one position amongst the union workers. It's also one of the more difficult ones and probably the highest paid. I'd like to see you navigate one of those buses all day in Manhattan's streets. Most people have trouble navigating their SUVs, let alone a 60 foot bus (Source)
As for salary increase for the general public, I have no problem in saying that I've received a raise of 13% and 8% the past two years, and the smaller figure the 2nd year was the result of a bigger bonus. I guess I'm just an amazing employee, because I must be really skewing the 3.5% average.
People retire at whatever age they want to these days. For these people, many of whom work jobs that I'm sure when compared to the national averages cause earlier death, whether it be stress related, health issues from exposure to the stuff that's in the subway tunnels, etc, they probably live as many years following retirement as the 62 year old blue collar worker. I mean, have you ever looked at some of the older workers in the subway? They look worn out from life.
OK, I guess I've said enough, I'm just trying to point out some of the flaws in your logic when you just throw out a few figures and try to sway opinions with them. |
as far as the salaries go, I'm just saying something is messed up when a bus driver is making more than a police officer, even if that was only a starting salary. what if police officers went on strike? i was just trying to make a point.
And I'm sure it is difficult driving a bus. But guess what, everyone's job is difficult in some way or another. But you don't see everyone going on strike. Many people would be happy for those jobs and salaries. i just don't believe unions are necessary these days, and it angers me when things like this happen. |
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| BiG MiKE |
| I'm just glad I have a car and live in Long Island... |
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| ogvh5150 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Groundhog Boy
You do realize that the legal document that you posted is just a Memorandum in Support of their Motion for Injunctive Relief, right. It's just the TWU's opinion and what they want a judge to agree with, not what's been decided. You could probably look up the MTA's Motion in Opposition to TWU's Motion, if it's been filed, yet. Usually they get a few weeks-month to respond in the cases that I work on. |
| quote: | Public Employment Relations Board: TWU Local 100 -v- MTA NYC Transit
STATE OF NEW YORK
PUBLIC EMPLOYMENT RELATIONS BOARD
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In the Matter of the Application of
TRANSPORT WORKERS UNION OF GREATER NEW YORK,
LOCAL 100,
Charging Party,
For Injunctive Relief Pursuant to Civil Service Law § 209-a.4,
- against -
MTA/NEW YORK CITY TRANSIT,
Respondent.
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MEMORANDUM OF LAW IN SUPPORT OF APPLICATION
FOR INJUNCTIVE RELIEF PURSUANT TO
CIVIL SERVICE LAW § 209-a.4
INTRODUCTION |
Correct. What the TWU is doing is legal and the right avenue. What the TWU is doing is following §209-a 4 of the Taylor law:
4. Injunctive relief. (a) A party filing an improper practice charge under this section may petition the board to obtain injunctive relief, pending a decision on the merits of said charge by an administrative law judge, upon a showing that: (i) there is reasonable cause to believe an improper practice has occurred, and (ii) where it appears that immediate and irreparable injury, loss or damage will result thereby rendering a resulting judgment on the merits ineffectual necessitating the maintenance of, or return to, the status quo to provide meaningful relief.
The MTA through the office of Atty. Gen. Spitzer sought injunctions on behalf of NYCTA, MaBSTOA and MTA Bus before any strike happened.
The MTA also introduced this in their petitions to the court:
| quote: | | NOW, upon reading and filing the Orders to Show Cause signed by the Hon. Theodore T. Jones, Justice of this Court, on December 12, 2005, the Affidavit of Lawrence G. Reuter, the Affirmation of Assistant Attorney General James B. Henly, the Affirmation of the Commissioner of the New York City Office of Emergency Management, Joseph F. Bruno, the Memorandum of Law in Support of Plaintiffs Application for Preliminary Injunctive Relief, and the Summons and Verified Complaint, and the Defendants’ Memoranda of Law in opposition thereto, Affidavits of Roger Toussaint, Edward Watt and Michael T. O’Brien, the Affirmation of Arthur Z. Schwartz, Esq., and the Amicus Curie Brief of the United Federation of Teachers, and |
The TWU is adhering to the Taylor Law despite what people think. The MTA broke the Taylor Law first when it introduced pension reform in a contract negotiation, of which the Taylor Law makes it illegal. This pension reform should be introduced into the NY State Legislature and not as a bargaining tool between the TWU and the MTA parent.
The reason pension reforms are not introduced is because it affects anyone within the NY pension system. TWU members should not be a part of this nor have incoming members (of the pension system) start a precedent.
The Taylor Law offers no penalties whatsoever against management to adhere to their portions of the Taylor Law. Of which it only means one thing that this law is discriminatory against unions or associations seeking contracts with employers. You see it when the UFT, UFA and PBA see years without a contract for example.
If the proposal of pension reform comes off the table then the workers will return to work.
People can say that TWU workers are greedy but they just parrot what the media say and offer no original thought. Remember these are the same media that told us Saddam had WMDs when there are none.
If the governor is going to be a tough guy about the Taylor Law with the union, he should be tough as well on the law when it comes to the MTA
Assemblyman Richard Brodsky (D-Westchester), Chairman of the Committee on Corporations, Authorities, and Commissions in the New York State Assembly that oversees the MTA.
| quote: | Originally posted by herc750iL
Unbelievable.
Average Salary for a Subway/Bus operator - $62,000
Starting Salary for a NYPD Police officer - $25,100
Salary increases-8% requested by thw TWU
-3.5% for general public
Age at retirement-55 for TWU
-65 for us (if we're in' lucky) |
First like groundhog said, you're comparing apples to oranges but let me set you straight a bit:
All bus drivers ON THE ROAD do not have a straight eight hours. They along with train operators ON THE ROAD have whats' called swings or penalty jobs. These jobs ON THE ROAD have OT built in because a bus or train schedule offer no leeway as far as staffing is concerned so they have maybe 30 minutes to an hour A DAY in OT. Booth clerks and property protection agents sometimes have to work a double shift when someone books off sick and if no one can relieve them they are stuck for an additional 8 hours mandatory overtime.
What you seem to be posting is an inflated figure most likely from someones gross salary rather than their hourly rate of which these workers get paid. Overtime is a bonus for not being home with your family or loved ones and should not be taken as a average salary.
Now with your figures of annual pay raises you seem to be misinformed:
At the START of negotiations the TWU presented 8% a year for 3 years along with other demands.
Just BEFORE the strike the MTA (not the TA or NYCTA since the TWU is bargaining with the parent company) presented 3% the first year, 4% the second and 3.5% the third with new employees contributing 6% of their gross towards their pension of 25 years or age 62 different from the current age of 55 or 25 years of service.
It is illegal to introduce pension reform in contract negotiations as stated in the Taylor Law.
The RECENTLY NEGOTIATED contract of 10.25% for two years between the PBA (who where without a contract for a few years already) and NYC has a starting base pay of $25,100 but a final base pay of $59,588 after 5 years. PBA members were awarded by PERB a retroactive pay of about $13,000.
Cops, Firefighters and Sanitation workers can retire after 20 years of service with no age requirement.
Now who has it good?
| quote: | | in rats. Why did I go to college? I could drive a in' BUS! |
There are people that go to college and drive a bus. There are people that also hold down a second job. If they can do it so can you.
| quote: | | unions destroy what they once intended to protect. |
How would you know? Have you ever had a unionized job? |
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| colibri |
politicians have been the most effective seeking votes
in poor communities yet they have abandon them finding
a speedy solution to the strike which ultimately hurts
this constituency the most economically...
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| phoenixBEBE |
Union Leaders Tell Strikers To Go Back to Work
Let's hope and PRAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
wasn't too bad for me this morning...just walked around one LONG ASS BLOCK to go buy LIRR tickets...then ALL the way to the other end to wait on line to get up onto the platform. Im not looking forward to tonight, walking home in the cold -__- |
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| hitokiri |
| its all gone pete tong...:confused: |
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