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MTA Strike (pg. 4)
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| Blake |
The Mayor says he doesn't want anyone arrested because it would make martyrs out of them, which is true. The last thing we need is for people to benefit from the mentality of "We're here so you can't fire us, and so we get more money ... in the name of 'protection'." Bloomberg says they should just continue to raise the fines. I just think they should figure out how to do this without screwing things up for the city.
It's funny, I live near a train station and about every hour or so a train goes by without stopping. I swear I can hear the driver shouting, "Walk bitches! WAAAALK!!" :p
I don't know what to say about the working conditions for transit workers. I mean you DO work underground. Should there be sunshine and the smell of sweet roses in the tunnels?:rolleyes:
Ah well. Looks like another night with Metro North :) |
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| hitokiri |
| damn thats all i gotta say... damn the heads of the city just got pwned:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: |
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| Groundhog Boy |
Yeah, this isn't going to end any time soon and Pataki's officially to blame. By saying that there will be no negotiations until the workers end the strike, he's just condemned New Yorkers to days, dare I say weeks, of walking to work.
Apparently he missed the briefing on how to negotiate. I still think it's awful that they're standing behind the Taylor law and saying to all public service workers that you can go yourself if you think we need to renew contracts. That's the only way you could interpret his comments about how the other unions haven't had contracts for years, yet continued to work. I applaud the TWU for saying you're not going to screw us like you've been screwing other unions for the past few years. |
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| trunks1022 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Groundhog Boy
Yeah, this isn't going to end any time soon and Pataki's officially to blame. By saying that there will be no negotiations until the workers end the strike, he's just condemned New Yorkers to days, dare I say weeks, of walking to work.
Apparently he missed the briefing on how to negotiate. I still think it's awful that they're standing behind the Taylor law and saying to all public service workers that you can go yourself if you think we need to renew contracts. That's the only way you could interpret his comments about how the other unions haven't had contracts for years, yet continued to work. I applaud the TWU for saying you're not going to screw us like you've been screwing other unions for the past few years. |
this is what happens when politicians do not need to gather votes anymore. pataki and bloomberg do not have to worry about gathering votes for another run... i kinda missed what pataki said. did he add anything today? |
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| Groundhog Boy |
| quote: | Originally posted by trunks1022
this is what happens when politicians do not need to gather votes anymore. pataki and bloomberg do not have to worry about gathering votes for another run... i kinda missed what pataki said. did he add anything today? |
Yeah, he officially stated that there would be no negotiations while the strike is going on. |
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| trunks1022 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Groundhog Boy
Yeah, he officially stated that there would be no negotiations while the strike is going on. |
yeah he's a douche. |
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| phuzzyfish12 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Blake
It's funny, I live near a train station and about every hour or so a train goes by without stopping. I swear I can hear the driver shouting, "Walk bitches! WAAAALK!!" :p
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Classic...I'm gonna have to use that for my sig!! |
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| hitokiri |
| im tellin you i saw patakis speech now what i wanna know is WHY THE HELL was that legislation thing first BEFORE the transit discussion plus is it just me or did king george sound mad phoney when he was talking to the public? even tho it was a rehearst speech still sounded off maad scripted but toussaint ... hell was off the fly but he DEF let it be know what the deal was with mta wish i recorded it |
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| ogvh5150 |
| quote: | Toussaint to Bloomberg: You are Shaming NYC
Dec. 21- Yesterday you used your position as Mayor of New York to call us "thuggish"and "selfish." How dare you?
Our children turn on the TV to see the Mayor denouncing their parents as "morally reprehensible." Have you no shame?
As you know better than most, this strike was forced on us by the MTA. You know this because you share much of theblame. It is your provocative rhetoric about what givebacks we transit workers must accept for the next generation of transit -- our children and new immigrants -- that has pushed our members beyond the limits of their patience.
You all but demanded this confrontation, and now you act angry and surprised. You owe all New Yorkers an apology for poisoning the atmosphere around difficult labor negotiations.
You call us “irresponsible.” New York City and New York State have slashed their subsidies for mass transit. Mayors and Governors have created a seemingly permanent Structural Deficit for transit which much be filled by costly borrowing. Wall Street has profited, but Main Street has suffered. But you knew that already from your previous career. Now that the debt-servicing bill has come due, the MTA demands that we pay the price: worse health care and worse pensions.
But what about our conducting an "illegal" strike? What about the law? You are all over the media with high-minded talkabout "illegal" behavior, castigating criminals and screaming that no one is above the law. Your hypocrisy knows no bounds. You must hope everyone has forgotten your biography: "Bloomberg on Bloomberg." You boast on Page 59 on how you started your rise to great wealth, great enough to enable you to buy the Mayor's office twice. You set up your office "...all without permission, violating every fire law, building code and union regulation on the books."
I guess illegality is in the eye of the beholder. A confessed lawbreakerhas the gall to lecture 34,000 hard working people whose only crime is standing up for their families and for dignity and respect on one of the toughest, most dangerous jobs in New York.
Stop using transit workers as a punching bag to undo decades of pension gains for city workers. Stop demonizing transit workers in the eyes of the public.
Stop bullying and start acting like the Mayor you promised to be.
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| Blake |
| That was just on TV not too long ago. How do you get the transcripts so fast ??? |
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| ogvh5150 |
http://www.twulocal100.org Local 100 site
http://www.twu.org International site
It's not a transcript. I would hope that they put one up because I feel Roger Toussaint pwned Bloomberg.
Watch the news. They'll keep saying the local is holding an illegal strike, especially FOX5NY, even though the MTA with help from Pataki and Bloomberg are strongarming the union into negotiating an illegal action at the bargaining table.
If anyone broke the law first it was the MTA when it introduced into the negotiations violations of the Taylor law specifically named in the Injunctive Relief from the TWU stating:
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4. The term "terms and conditions of employment" means salaries, wages, hours and other terms and conditions of employment provided, however, that such term shall not include any benefits provided by or to be provided by a public retirement system, or payments to a fund or insurer to provide an income for retirees, or payment to retirees or their beneficiaries. No such retirement benefits shall be negotiated pursuant to this article, and any benefits so negotiated shall be void.
All is clear. The ones that lose out here is the City of New York, Inc. Without that tax revenue you see the real side of your favorite politicians. Before people label me as insensitive, you have to realize that the thugs here are the ones that hold the piggy bank. The ones that defer maintenence of the right of way. The ones that raise the fare without giving incentives.
Those workers fish people out of smoke conditions and blackouts. They are first responders to Transit emergencies. They have no training in evacuations other than disembarking passengers from trains. They have no NBC (nuclear, biological, chemical) training whatsoever.
But somehow Bloomberg the Billionaire Mayor calls them thugs. |
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| Groundhog Boy |
| quote: | Originally posted by ogvh5150
http://www.twulocal100.org Local 100 site
http://www.twu.org International site
It's not a transcript. I would hope that they put one up because I feel Roger Toussaint pwned Bloomberg.
Watch the news. They'll keep saying the local is holding an illegal strike, especially FOX5NY, even though the MTA with help from Pataki and Bloomberg are strongarming the union into negotiating an illegal action at the bargaining table.
If anyone broke the law first it was the MTA when it introduced into the negotiations violations of the Taylor law specifically named in the Injunctive Relief from the TWU stating:
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4. The term "terms and conditions of employment" means salaries, wages, hours and other terms and conditions of employment provided, however, that such term shall not include any benefits provided by or to be provided by a public retirement system, or payments to a fund or insurer to provide an income for retirees, or payment to retirees or their beneficiaries. No such retirement benefits shall be negotiated pursuant to this article, and any benefits so negotiated shall be void.
All is clear. The ones that lose out here is the City of New York, Inc. Without that tax revenue you see the real side of your favorite politicians. Before people label me as insensitive, you have to realize that the thugs here are the ones that hold the piggy bank. The ones that defer maintenence of the right of way. The ones that raise the fare without giving incentives.
Those workers fish people out of smoke conditions and blackouts. They are first responders to Transit emergencies. They have no training in evacuations other than disembarking passengers from trains. They have no NBC (nuclear, biological, chemical) training whatsoever.
But somehow Bloomberg the Billionaire Mayor calls them thugs. |
You do realize that the legal document that you posted is just a Memorandum in Support of their Motion for Injunctive Relief, right. It's just the TWU's opinion and what they want a judge to agree with, not what's been decided. You could probably look up the MTA's Motion in Opposition to TWU's Motion, if it's been filed, yet. Usually they get a few weeks-month to respond in the cases that I work on. |
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