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| Magnetonium |
| quote: | Originally posted by LieberDJ
better. isnt the correct word. Different yes. The truth is that there was much more going on during the 70's and early 80's in europe that what was beleived. France had a huge experimental scene
http://www.discogs.com/release/262190
this is the sound that they call electro and techno now a days.
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First of all, none of that stuff is techno whatsoever as it came out of Detroit - I am familiar with some of those artists. Secondly, neither me or my friends have ever heard of your MODERNE, which is probably another synth-pop band.
Enough trying to convince someone who really hasn't heard any early detroit techno. You can believe whatever you want. Its only a matter of your own opinion, which is different from most of well-educated in music TAs here. |
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| Radagast |
| quote: | Originally posted by LieberDJ
better. isnt the correct word. Different yes. The truth is that there was much more going on during the 70's and early 80's in europe that what was beleived. France had a huge experimental scene
http://www.discogs.com/release/262190
this is the sound that they call electro and techno now a days. |
Better is the correct word. America took this and turned it into this. It's funkier, groovier, and more rhythmic. Better.
Yeah, France had Experimental music, and Germany, and the Netherlands in the 60's and 70's. So what? Now a days, most of the music on that CD would be called synthpop, or italo disco, or electronic rock, or experimental. Definitely not Techno. Possibly Electro. But those are all 25+ year old tracks.
This is the sound that they call Electro now a days
This is the sound that they call Techno now a days
And this is the sound they call Electro and Techno now a days.
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True.. doesnt mean that hte music didnt exist and should be neglected. |
No. Most EDM music as we know it didn't exist before 1980. Hardcore didn't exist, techno didn' exist, house didn't exist, electro didn't exist, "Rave" didn't exist, "IDM" didn't exist, trance didn't exist, drum and bass didn't exist. Mostly all the electronic music you had before 1980 with enough people making it to be notable was experimental, electroinc rock, ambient/downtempo, and some disco made with electronic instruments. And the first gleanings of what would be later called Electro and Electro-Funk. And some rap made with electronic instruments.
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thats a generalized understatement, laughable. |
Not.
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defining a genre is creating a market. |
No. Okay. The job of a marketer is to market to those existing people. Juan Atkins wasn't a marketer and he wasn't trying to make music for a market. When Juan Atkins "coined" techno, the market for techno music was underground black clubs in cities like Detroit and Chicago. That's not much of a market at all. The market for Techno didn't exist then. He didn't create a market for techno. Kevin Saunderson and Derrick May (and Joey Beltram) did, because their biggest hits brought techno TO europe, specifically Berlin, after which it began to be marketed and mass produced like crazy. That's right. Techno wasn't marketed heavily at all until europe got its hands on it.
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hardly worth mentioning in the grand scheme of things, BUT at least he credited moroder and gave realization to the world of the origins of electronica.
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No...he milked trance...then he milked it some more. He gave realization to thousands the origins of pop trance. Wooooo hooo. Yeah, all those tranceport loving trancefans know all about the origins of electronica.
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2 more words to add to your vocabulary:
loop and sample |
What does that have to do with the influence they had? |
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| Magnetonium |
| quote: | Originally posted by Radagast
No. Most EDM music as we know it didn't exist before 1980. Hardcore didn't exist, techno didn' exist, house didn't exist, electro didn't exist, "Rave" didn't exist, "IDM" didn't exist, trance didn't exist, drum and bass didn't exist. Mostly all the electronic music you had before 1980 with enough people making it to be notable was experimental, electroinc rock, ambient/downtempo, and some disco made with electronic instruments. And the first gleanings of what would be later called Electro and Electro-Funk. And some rap made with electronic instruments.
No. Okay. The job of a marketer is to market to those existing people. Juan Atkins wasn't a marketer and he wasn't trying to make music for a market. When Juan Atkins "coined" techno, the market for techno music was underground black clubs in cities like Detroit and Chicago. That's not much of a market at all. The market for Techno didn't exist then. He didn't create a market for techno. Kevin Saunderson and Derrick May (and Joey Beltram) did, because their biggest hits brought techno TO europe, specifically Berlin, after which it began to be marketed and mass produced like crazy. That's right. Techno wasn't marketed heavily at all until europe got its hands on it.
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Thank you, thank you, thank you for clarifying my point!!! Especially the detroit techno marketing, because you are absolutely right! You took the words out of my mouth! :D |
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| basd |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ian
Def a guy with a big future, provided he doesn't rest on his laurels & think he's accomplished it all. |
Being the modest guy that he is, I wouldn't be afraid of that too much.
And dj_lane, listen to this and then tell me it's not at least heavily influenced by Detroit techno.
As for my personal opinion, I've been watching him for quite a while now, from the time he still DJ'ed here as a local resident until now. Though I didn't find his Fuse compilation as interesting as I'd hope it to be, he still releases top quality stuff, even though my tastes have been diverging from his style a bit lately. |
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| dj_lane |
| quote: | Originally posted by basd
And dj_lane, listen to this and then tell me it's not at least heavily influenced by Detroit techno.
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Well I suppose, but I wouldnt really characterize it as detroit tech...
Edit: What is the title of that sample? I dont remember that from Future History |
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| basd |
| quote: | Originally posted by dj_lane
Edit: What is the title of that sample? I dont remember that from Future History |
That's mainly because it's not on it :)
It's Vince Watson - Intuitions (Joris Voorn remix) |
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| dj_lane |
| quote: | Originally posted by basd
That's mainly because it's not on it :)
It's Vince Watson - Intuitions (Joris Voorn remix) |
lol! Yea...
I like that one, I dont know if I would characterize it as Detroit Techno, but it does have many elements of that in it... |
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| weymouth |
| lol at how many times the OP used the word noob in his posts |
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| bobba lou |
fuse presents joris voorn
easily mix cd of the year. |
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| paranoik0 |
| quote: | Originally posted by bobba lou
fuse presents joris voorn
easily mix cd of the year. |
woah.. how come i missed that.. must hear |
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