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City council attack on Toronto nightlife continues.
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| Jayx1 |
I say nightlife because i refuse to call this place a club. It was a ty banquet hall and it now sounds like this new owner is trying to make a legit business. But Councillor mamolitti needs to be thrown out in this year's municipal election. Ive had enough of that idiot.
| quote: | A hard-working grandmother of 13 could be another victim of killer gang wars as she fights to re-open an infamous club where a young mom was shot dead and six others injured.
The former Prestige Palace is squarely in the cross-hairs of Councillor Giorgio Mammoliti, who is trying to block its re-opening under a new name and new owner.
The new applicant says she has no ties to the Prestige.
"I'm not those people," Brenda Smith said of the former operators of the nightclub on Milvan Dr., which was closed last year after a shootout on April 24.
"I took over the place and cleaned it up," she said of the future Dreams Restaurant & Lounge.
When she got the keys to the Finch Ave. and Weston Rd. area site, "it was pretty bad in there," she said yesterday.
"I've been investigated by the police and the liquor board and I have complied with everything they asked," the native of Jamaica said, adding she worked steadily since coming here in 1979 before taking a benefits package to leave Magna International last spring.
The mother of seven said she wanted her own business. Never a publican, Smith said she has spent $35,000 on her dream since taking over the closed club in August. Her boyfriend, from Florida, "has the experience."
She plans to invite Mammoliti to tour the remodelled establishment before the liquor hearing.
When told Smith claims no ties to a woman named "Smith" whose name was on the old liquor licence, Mammoliti said, "it's refreshing ... I'll call her next week.
"I still want to tour the place and see if it's been set up as a bar or a nightclub," he said.
"If we're really serious about stopping all the murders in the city, we are going to have to shut down the establishments that have been set up in dark alleys and industrial areas, which have been identified as problems," Mammoliti said.
"Sometimes they set it up as a bar, then at night take it all down and turn it into a nightmare," he said.
The wounding of six shoppers and murder of Jane Creba, 15, Dec. 26 on Yonge St. ended a deadly year of gunfire, that felled 52 of the 78 homicide 2005 victims throughout Toronto.
In the previous worst-case of 2005, mother-of-four Livvette Olivea Miller, 26, died instantly from two bullets in her head, after a group of rivals began shooting up the Prestige Palace. Bullets whizzed past police cruisers as officers rushed to respond to 911 panic calls.
Miller's suspected killer has not been arrested.
Just like the Yonge St. shootout, one of the club shooting survivors had critical injuries. Others were treated for lesser wounds.
Mammoliti said his staff sent a letter Wednesday to the Ontario Liquor and Gaming Commission, objecting to Smith's booze licence.
Calling the Prestige "an illegal establishment," he said the building's owner kept ignoring city work code orders.
The licensing commission began a probe last September for alleged violations, but a hearing was postponed as investigators tried to identity its real owners.
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Ok just a recap on the one quote.
| quote: | | "If we're really serious about stopping all the murders in the city, we are going to have to shut down the establishments that have been set up in dark alleys and industrial areas, which have been identified as problems," Mammoliti said. |
I agree. Thats why we must shut down all places where murders and shootingshappened in the last year.
This includes
- malls
- churches
- parks
- donut shops
- residences
- pool halls
- dundas square
- yonge st
and any space in front of a foot locker
Yes mamolitti, you are really on to something here. This idea will make us all a lot safer.
Does anybody here live in this idiot's ward? If so id advise you to go vote against him in nov. |
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| 7-4-7 |
complaints I hear, solutions I don't?
tough situations require tough choices.
Finch and Weston...oh so like Jane and Finch area...GRRRRRReat place to open up a bar/club. |
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| INTRANCE |
| That has to be one of the worst areas in the city...there is some kind of violence there pretty much ona daily basis! |
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| Truepioneer |
| Sounds like classic American style right wing logical thinking to me LOL |
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| Jayx1 |
so let her open her restaurant. If there are more problems there then deal with the problems.
You didnt hear people asking that they close down that church where that kid was killed did you? That church was in a bad area. Proof that this crap can happen anywhere now.
The solution isnt shutting down bars and churches. The solution is dealing with the people comitting the acts in the first place |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Truepioneer
Sounds like classic American style right wing logical thinking to me LOL |
This is only stupid wing thinking and nothing more. |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by Truepioneer
Sounds like classic American style right wing logical thinking to me LOL |
There's nothing American about restrictions on legitimate business, and even if there were, it seems completely irrelevant to bring into this discussion.
As Jay said, the only type of "thinking" involved here is the illogical, irrational kind. |
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| 7-4-7 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
You didnt hear people asking that they close down that church where that kid was killed did you? That church was in a bad area. Proof that this crap can happen anywhere now.
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bad correlation, churches are more often than not, a place of peace, even during war time...bars are not, bars are a place of alcohol, drugs, gangs, gambling....there are zoning laws, they wont build industrial plaza's close to residental but they will open up cesspools of gang related activity in one of the worst intersections for violence in the entire continent. bad idea. |
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| dj_souvlaki |
i say we open up a club and invite the two biggest rival gangs in it.
duck for cover and the rest will speak for itself. |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by 7-4-7
bad correlation, churches are more often than not, a place of peace, even during war time...bars are not, bars are a place of alcohol, drugs, gangs, gambling....there are zoning laws, they wont build industrial plaza's close to residental but they will open up cesspools of gang related activity in one of the worst intersections for violence in the entire continent. bad idea. |
My point is that this crap can happen anywhere. Not just a club or bar. So why not deal with the real problem which is violence itself? That church is in one of the worst parts of town and a shooting happened. So why not shut down the church? Of course it wont happen because it's a ridiculous idea. Just as ridiculous as preventing a legitmate business from operating.
Also, If we keep turning down businesses from operating in so called bad areas, how can we ever hope to rejuvinate those areas if we keep denying employment and business opportunities to those areas?
Think about how many people that restaurant that she wants to open could employ.
Oh and this comment | quote: | | bars are a place of alcohol, drugs, gangs, gambling |
last i checked alcohol was legal and served everywhere from a family restaurant to a sports bar to skydome. Drugs are never permitted anywhere and if this is a problem then the cops should arrest the dealers.
Drugs are sold openly on the street and in dundas square, maybe we should close dundas square?
Gangs hang out at the local mall too. We should shut down the local malls.
Gambling - i have yet to see gambling take place at a club unless it was a licenced gambling facility (which are currently owned by the government or natives). If any illegal gambling goes on im sure it happens everywhere. Again i have yet to see this openly occur at a nightclub or restaurant.
| quote: | | cesspools of gang related activity in one of the worst intersections for violence in the entire continent. bad idea. |
whoa slow down with that exaggeration for a moment. Do you honestly think that north york and etobicoke are the worst parts of north america? Nowhere, and i repeat NOWHERE in Toronto comes close to being as bad as most inner cities in the US. Take a walk through Detroit, Washington DC or parts of the bronx and then come back to jane and finch or regent park and tell me that those places come close to being the dispicable hell holes that the US cities are. And lets not even talk about Mexico or Haiti or other countries in North America.
Ive been to the places i just mentioned. (except haiti) Trust me, Toronto is still sitting pretty as far as ghettos are concerned.
Oh and a notable characteristic of the REAL ghettos i mentioned are the fact that there are NO Businesses whatsoever. Just abandoned buildings. So yes, lets keep chasing business away from these "bad" areas because that will solve everything! |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by 7-4-7
bad correlation, churches are more often than not, a place of peace, even during war time...bars are not, bars are a place of alcohol, drugs, gangs, gambling....there are zoning laws, they wont build industrial plaza's close to residental but they will open up cesspools of gang related activity in one of the worst intersections for violence in the entire continent. bad idea. |
Are you arguing against zoning laws? |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by dj_souvlaki
i say we open up a club and invite the two biggest rival gangs in it.
duck for cover and the rest will speak for itself. |
i say we do that, but with hip hop artists. LOL |
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