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| EvilTree |
^I like Bill Graham. Actually, pretty much the only liberal I have respect for. (Well, John Manley too)
Guy running in my riding, Andrew Telegdi has done good job but... gah. Just can't vote for Liberals. |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by EvilTree
Guy running in my riding, Andrew Telegdi has done good job but... gah. Just can't vote for Liberals. |
We're in the same riding. Personally I will be voting for Andrew, not because of his party affiliation but because of his effectiveness as an MP and his service in the committies. I decided to vote based on the candidate because I don't have confidence in any of the parties platforms, none fit with my interests and ideological standpoint enough to sway me nor do they fly in the opposition of what I believe in enough to drive me away. When I compared the local candidates Andrew was clearly the best for Waterloo based on the criteria I deemed to be important.
EDIT, please note I am not trying to influance your vote in anyway I just felt compelled to share my reasoning. |
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| DJ Robben |
| in the advanced polls. NDP |
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| ShadoWolf |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
We're in the same riding. Personally I will be voting for Andrew, not because of his party affiliation but because of his effectiveness as an MP and his service in the committies. I decided to vote based on the candidate because I don't have confidence in any of the parties platforms, none fit with my interests and ideological standpoint enough to sway me nor do they fly in the opposition of what I believe in enough to drive me away. When I compared the local candidates Andrew was clearly the best for Waterloo based on the criteria I deemed to be important.
EDIT, please note I am not trying to influance your vote in anyway I just felt compelled to share my reasoning. |
| quote: | Liberal MP Telegdi defends use of term Ni**er
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
January 13, 2006
OTTAWA - Andrew Telegdi, Liberal Member of Parliament and Liberal candidate for the riding of Kitchener-Waterloo, defended his use of the term ni**er at an all-candidates meeting held on Wednesday.
The Facts:
As President of the Federation of Students at the University of Waterloo, Mr. Telegdi said students did not vote in a municipal election because, they want to be ni**ers (The Chevron, December 6, 1974).
When asked about the incident at an all-candidates meeting two days ago, Mr. Telegdi defended the comments and refused to apologize (The Record, January 12, 2006).
Mr. Telegdi served as Parliamentary Secretary to the Prime Minister from January 30th, 2004 to July 19th, 2004. Mr. Martin offered to reappoint Telegdi as a Parliamentary Secretary (The Record, July 23, 2004).
Mr. Telegdi continues to be the Liberal candidate in Kitchener-Waterloo with the full blessing and support of Paul Martin and the Liberal Party of Canada. |
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| Moral Hazard |
Hey Shadow what context was the term used in? Your clipping really carries no weight as all the background and context is missing. You need to use better evidence.
BTW, if anyone here honestly believes that one is not fit to serve in politics because they have used/use racial slures or made/make offensive comments, and/or have employed or continue to employe curse words then I'm afraid it's quite likely the only people fit to serve in parliament are those incapable of thought or expression. Really, many of you have met me and some of you even believe I'm a good person.... Now, get ready, I'm going to let you in on a secret..... I've said the word ****** :eek: Am I still a good person? Does the utterance of a single word compeletely outweigh the content of one's character or the results of their actions? If you believe it does then I believe you are a fool but hey, I've said ****** therefore I'm a bad person and I suppose whatever I say should be disregarded. |
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| ChemEnhanced |
I've decided to go with the Green Party....for now...in ten minutes that could change....this election is harder then ordering dinner at a restaurant.
Reasoning
The liberals need a shake up and I want that to happen. With a conservative or liberal minority I think Paul Martin will be forced to have things change...including removing himself as the leader. There are many issues that I don't agree with regarding the CPC platform. I have a bad feeling about Harper and I just can't take him at face value. I don't mind seeing a CPC minority government so there are some controls on Harper but I can't vote for him. The NDP will simply never get my vote.
The green party has a very well thought out platform. My voting for them is to try and get them federal funding. If they get a high enough popular vote then they will get the federal funding they need. This will help them get their message out there and maybe even a little air time in the next election. My vote for them is for the future and not for the present.
Overall.....we will be doing this again in less than 24 months. |
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| Moral Hazard |
| You know Shadow people such as yourself really do the parties you support a huge disfavour. Constantly making arguments based on sketchy reason and supported by poor evidence to try and convince people that your belief is the only acceptable one an they are wrong for thinking otherwise does nothing but alienate those you seek to win over. The impression you give is much the same as the born-again Christian who annoys people on the street telling them they will go to hell if they don't get born again. I know you think that you're doing good but all you really accomplish is driving people away. If you want people to consider what you're saying then you need respect what their starting position is and then come up with compelling reasons backed by credible support to make them examine their initial position. Just coming out and saying "you're wrong and here's some poorly documented news paper item or an isolated quote out of context proving you're wrong" just makes you look like desperate and single minded zelot. People tend not to put much stock in the words of the desperate, the single minded, and the zelots because words from persons fitting any of those descriptions are not trustworthy. |
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| MarkT |
let's at least present his side...since Shadowolf will not.
http://www.telegdi.org/NR_jan13_2006.html
| quote: | John Reynolds, co-chair of the Harper campaign, has reached farther in the past than anyone to try to smear a Liberal candidate. He has accused Andrew Telegdi (MP for Kitchener-Waterloo) of making a racial slur 32 years ago.
Telegdi was then 28 years old, the President of the Federation of Students at the University of Waterloo.
Reynolds’ smear is based on a reference Telegdi made at that time to a 1968 book by Jerry Farber, The Student as ******. The reference was quoted in a news article in The Chevron, the University of Waterloo student newspaper, on November 6, 1974.
Far from being a racial slur, Telegdi’s reference to Farber’s metaphor reflected solidarity with African-Americans and other oppressed minorities. Student leaders in the 1970’s drew inspiration from the US civil rights movement of the 1960s.
Martin Luther King was one of Telegdi’s heroes. Like other young activists, Telegdi drew inspiration from him and sought a voice for students in politics, just as King had sought a voice for African-Americans.
Leaders of student movements were not the only ones who took the civil rights movement as a model. Pierre Vallieres entitled his polemic for Quebec independence White ******s of America.
At the University of Waterloo, the same newspaper that published Telegdi’s reference to Farber’s book published an article entitled “The Child as ******” on August 16, 1974. The contention was that like African Americans, children are a minority in need of liberation.
Over the past three decades, Andrew Telegdi has earned a national reputation as a champion of minorities; immigrants, students, people of colour, gays and lesbians, youth, the poor, women. He has worked steadfastly for inclusions in his home community, province and country.
For Telegdi, the Charter of Rights and Freedoms is a sacred covenant. He has been willing to challenge even his own party’s leadership in defense of the rights of all Canadians.
Among Telegdi’s credentials as a proponent of racial equality:
As a Regional Councillor in 1990, he established the Waterloo Region Mayors’ Race Relations Committee;
He was twice elected president of the Kitchener-Waterloo Multicultural Centre;
Unanimously elected as chair of the All-Party Committee on Citizenship and Immigration, he has won praise from ethnic and immigrant groups across Canada.
Reynolds has repeatedly complained about the Liberals using ten-year-old quotations from Stephen Harper. It is ironic that Reynolds has gone back three times farther in his effort to discredit Andrew Telegdi.
The Telegdi campaign regrets that Mr. Mandur declined to sign our proposed candidates’ agreement to treat one another with courtesy and civility.
The Telegdi campaign will continue to take the high road and focus on the important issues of Canada and the Kitchener-Waterloo region. |
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| rabbitjoker |
| Crazy socialists! |
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| ChemEnhanced |
| I think I'm gonna vote Liberal now....Jay and Shadowolf have convinced me to do so :D |
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| MarkT |
he also failed to properly quote the article in question...in fact this was not simply a G&M article...it was the G&M quoting a TORY PRESS RELEASE. the FULL QUOTE should read as follows:
| quote: | Tory press release: Fri, January 13, 2006
Friday, January 13, 2006 Posted at 11:22 AM EST
Globe and Mail Update
PAUL MARTIN HAS SOME EXPLAINING TO DO
Liberal MP Telegdi defends use of term '******"
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
January 13, 2006
OTTAWA — Andrew Telegdi, Liberal Member of Parliament and Liberal candidate for the riding of Kitchener-Waterloo, defended his use of the term '******" at an all-candidates meeting held on Wednesday.
The Facts:
· As President of the Federation of Students at the University of Waterloo, Mr. Telegdi said students did not vote in a municipal election because, 'they want to be ******s" (The Chevron, December 6, 1974).
· When asked about the incident at an all-candidates' meeting two days ago, Mr. Telegdi defended the comments and refused to apologize (The Record, January 12, 2006).
· Mr. Telegdi served as Parliamentary Secretary to the Prime Minister from January 30th, 2004 to July 19th, 2004. Mr. Martin offered to reappoint Telegdi as a Parliamentary Secretary (The Record, July 23, 2004).
Mr. Telegdi continues to be the Liberal candidate in Kitchener-Waterloo with the full blessing and support of Paul Martin and the Liberal Party of Canada.
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convenient to leave that out though, eh? ;) Doesn't change what was said...but it does call into question the context of the "article" and, IMHO, warrants more closely looking at the context! |
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| ChemEnhanced |
it's always good to misquote things.....somehow I have lost all respect (what little I actually had) for his comments.
Even though I may not agree with Jay or Diginut all the time. I respect what they say and I enjoy reading their posts. |
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