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Audio (RCA) cables (pg. 3)
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| DJFreaq |
| quote: | Originally posted by Munchy
I forgot to mention I'm a complete ing retard when it comes to audiophile stuff, I need to be TOLD what to do :toothless |
Sorry about that bro. Unfortunately RCA is all you can do sometimes from certain devices into your mixer, and I wasn't paying attention.
SHORT (emphasis on the short, and if it's just from CD-J to mixer, then it's short) RCAs can be OK. (in a pefect world "pro' dj equipment would have professional balanced outputs, but that seems to escape the thought of Pioneer).
So it still applies... balanced cables whenever you can. RCAs when you have to.
CDJ ->RCA-> MIXER
MIXER ->TRS/XLR-> Recording Device
DEFINATELY, if can record your mixes with something with balanced inputs, it's DEFINATELY recommended
MIXER ->TRS/XLR-> Main Speakers
TRS if you can, although MOST home stereos just use rcas
That's just some tidbits, but there's way too many ways to hook up gear, in my opinion. |
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| DJ 00 Tommy |
Im pretty sure all cd players and turntables only have RCA.
Some cd decks may have balanced rca but i havnt seen many. And they wernt realy for mixing more for radio dj... |
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| RobertStern |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nic
I like tiesto
I dislike monster cables for 2 reasons, firstly i dont care if they have great technologys and patents, they mean all at the frequencies we can hear, sure they are beter built than other cables but i'm not willing to pay 10 times the price when there will be no audiable differance. Any reasonable cable will do just fine
Secondly i dont like the they pulled when they started suing people over the "Monster" name. Having worked there you probably know more about this than me, care to share your thoughts? |
On the technology side, the difference is audible. The question is can an average untrained ear hear it.. Most likely, no. An Audio geek, like myself and I am sure some others here could. But again, the difference is so minimal. I have a saying that I like when it comes to high-end stuff. You can get 90-95% of great sound for a reasonable price, Say $20-40 for a set of 1 meter RCA's. To take the next step up, will only get you like a couple percent better performance, but it will cost you greatly. (Like you could get a C-5 Corvette (0-60 in 4.2, which is a great car, but to go to a Lambo or Ferrari, will cost you so much more, for not that much difference in performance)
Some technologies that no one but Monster can offer:
Time Correct Windings - Different frequencies travel at different speeds through a piece of copper wire. So, Monster has a patent on a Time Correct winding scheme, that through the cable recorrects the speed of the frequencies, so when it hits the source it is correct. This is doen by either a 2 network or 3 network wiring scheme inside the cable. Basically, there is a low frequency conductor and a high, or mid and high frequency conductors. These conductors are insulated from each other via a Dielectric, so there is no crossover. The diiferent conductors also vary in size and amount depending on the frequency. ( Low frequency = 1 solid core copper conductor, mid = multiple smaller copper conductors [usually 12], High = alot of super fine [smaller than a human hair] coppor conductors. these are insulated and then twisted around the solid core low frequency conductor. therefore making them just a little bit longer. Slowing down the time it take the higher (faster) frequencies to travel to the source.) Nobody else out there can offer this technology. Others do something similar but through a box that is active, therefore coloring the sound, as well as costing thousands of dollars!
Turbine Cut connectors - pretty simple. Angled 6,8,or 12 cut turbine cut connector ends, making sure you have the maximum surface area contact on your RCA out/inputs. Not to metiong then hold on with a death grip! Make sure to twist to the right when removing or putting on.
Some Monster cables are double sheilded, reducing the effects of EMF and RF noise (anyone ever heard a Nextel get a call next to their system, don't sound to good, huh?)
Checkout the website, there are alot of technologies that will improve the sound. But you have to be like a audio guru, to really hear the difference on most systems. If you have a good pair studio Monitors and a quiet room, you should be able to hear some more definition in your music. After being an Audio nut for like 15 years, I now have a trained ear for this stuff, so I stick with the better stuff. But even I can't afford the cables I would want. On top of that they would cost like 1/3 the price of the equiptment.
As far as Monster going after companies who use Monster somehow. Well all I got to say there is, this is true. Monster is legally entitled to pursue all these types of infringements of their trademarks and copyrights. Thats the law that we all live under. In alot of cases, Monster makes deals with the companies that end up bettering both organizations. Some, don't go that way. Being that Monster makes a whole lot of cash and a little company doesn't, well I guess we know the rest. All of this to me has no difference to what i hear through my ear when I use their cables, as simple as that to me. The law is the law, and unless we are going to do something to change it, there is no reason to complain about it. I just accept it and move on, do i like that it's that way, no. Does it make a difference in my life, no. So I say it, use the better sounding stuff. It was very clear to me that Monster is not out to make the world a better place, its primarly goal is to be profitable (as is most companies, along the way the founder has a passion for great sound, so we all benefit from his passion. As it produces great quality cables and pushes other companies to compete and do the same, so in the end the consumer gets a better product. Enjoy the rewards of one persons madness pursuit for money and good sound. |
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| PersianMafia |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJFreaq
Don't use RCAs
They are not balanced.
Use 1/4" TRS if your mixer has it (good ones do)
Or XLRs...
RCAs are . |
One TRS for stereo is unbalaned but two TRS (one left one right) is balanced right? |
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| RobertStern |
| quote: | Originally posted by PersianMafia
One TRS for stereo is unbalaned but two TRS (one left one right) is balanced right? |
Naw.. Unbalanced means there is just a + (hot) and - (Cold) conductor inside the jacket of the cable.
Balanced means there is 3 seperate leads, a + (hot) - (cold) and a Ground
Balanced outputs are only avalible through TRS and XLR type of connectors. Be aware though, not all TRS are balanced. There are on TRS connectors, balanced and unbalanced cables, as well as equiptment that has TRS inputs/outputs are either balanced or unbalanced or both. I would consult the manual of the product to determine if your TRS ins/outs are balanced or not.
Also, earlier I had talked about Monster using balanced conductors, this is different then the above topic. Balanced conductors, simply means: the + (Hot) and - (Cold) wire inside the cable are the same exact size (guage) with the same amount of strands, and twists/turns. Thus making sure, you have the same impedence across both parts of the cable.
The best way to hook up CDJ1000's would be using the digital out, to a mixer that has a digital input. This would give you the cleanest signal possible. If you have a mixer that has this capabilty. |
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| Nic |
| quote: | Originally posted by RobertStern
On the technology side, the difference is audible. The question is can an average untrained ear hear it.. Most likely, no. An Audio geek, liek myself and I am sure some others here could. But again, the difference is so minimal. I have a saying that I like when it comes to high-end stuff. You can get 90-95% of great sound for a reasonable price, Say $20-40 for a set of 1 meter RCA's. To take the next step up, will only get you like a couple percent better performance, but it will cost you greatly. (Like you could get a C-5 Corvette (0-60 in 4.2, which is a great car, but to go to a Lambo or Ferrari, will cost you so much more, for not that much difference in performance)
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This is exactly the reason i said to save the money you would be wasting and use it to upgrade the quality of components where there would be a noticable difference (amp speakers mixer whatever)
All those technologies sound great and everything but are going to have very little effect on the sound. Take the time correct windings for example, the speed of the signal through the cable is more than 7000 times the speed of the audio through the air. Even if the signal seperated 10cm in the cable, in the air that amounts to 0.014mm. Having a speaker setup with seperate drivers for high and low frequency, youll get that same spacing between the high and low signals if you move youre head less than 1 mm from the exact center of between the 2 drivers. In other words, you will not hear a difference!
Feel free to correct me if the maths is wrong, i did it very quickly and its 36 degrees C here! |
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| Nic |
| quote: | Originally posted by RobertStern
As far as Monster going after companies who use Monster somehow. Well all I got to say there is, this is true. Monster is legally entitled to pursue all these types of infringements of their trademarks and copyrights. Thats the law that we all live under. In alot of cases, Monster makes deals with the companies that end up bettering both organizations. Some, don't go that way. Being that Monster makes a whole lot of cash and a little company doesn't, well I guess we know the rest. All of this to me has no difference to what i hear through my ear when I use their cables, as simple as that to me. The law is the law, and unless we are going to do something to change it, there is no reason to complain about it. I just accept it and move on, do i like that it's that way, no. Does it make a difference in my life, no. So I say it, use the better sounding stuff. It was very clear to me that Monster is not out to make the world a better place, its primarly goal is to be profitable (as is most companies, along the way the founder has a passion for great sound, so we all benefit from his passion. As it produces great quality cables and pushes other companies to compete and do the same, so in the end the consumer gets a better product. Enjoy the rewards of one persons madness pursuit for money and good sound. |
AFAIK trademarks only cover a particular industry, Monster Cables seamed to be taking out lawsuits against companies in totally different industries, The smaller companies didnt have the legal resources to fight even though they were in the right and Monster cables were in the wrong. Basically they only did this to bully the smaller companies out of using monster in their name, even though they were completly entitled to do so. |
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| RobertStern |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nic
This is exactly the reason i said to save the money you would be wasting and use it to upgrade the quality of components where there would be a noticable difference (amp speakers mixer whatever)
All those technologies sound great and everything but are going to have very little effect on the sound. Take the time correct windings for example, the speed of the signal through the cable is more than 7000 times the speed of the audio through the air. Even if the signal seperated 10cm in the cable, in the air that amounts to 0.014mm. Having a speaker setup with seperate drivers for high and low frequency, youll get that same spacing between the high and low signals if you move youre head less than 1 mm from the exact center of between the 2 drivers. In other words, you will not hear a difference!
Feel free to correct me if the maths is wrong, i did it very quickly and its 36 degrees C here! |
I totally got you here.. But I would say that it all depends on how aware a person is of sound. Sound the way we are talking about here is transmitted to the speaker where the speaker moves the air. Changing the pressure. If you had a studio that was outfitted well enough to control and regulate sound pressure, a human I believe would be able to detect the differences. And most of our listening environments we wouldn't be able to really notice any difference.
Get a nice set of shielded, balanced conductor cables with a well made jacket that wont tear easy, on a CDJ case or something and your good to go. Leave the fanatical technologies, to the fanatatics and I agree, spend your money on a power conditioner. The will make more of difference than anything else, as well as protect your gear.
Keeping the power clean that is going to you gear, is going to make a bigger difference in the sound than these cable technologies. |
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| DJFreaq |
| quote: | Originally posted by RobertStern
Keeping the power clean that is going to you gear, is going to make a bigger difference in the sound than these cable technologies. |
I was going to get to that...
ALL YOUR GEAR SHOULD GO ONLY TO ONE COMMON GROUND
(you should see the tree-trunk setup of surge protectors I have in my room :crazy: ) |
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| Munchy |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJFreaq
I was going to get to that...
ALL YOUR GEAR SHOULD GO ONLY TO ONE COMMON GROUND
(you should see the tree-trunk setup of surge protectors I have in my room :crazy: ) |
Pic! |
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| Munchy |
I bought some cables today... Came out to $5 for 2 cables and a connecter :p
Bad thing is the RCA to 1/8 Stereo cables are 4 meters EACH! :/ |
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| Tygon |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ 00 Tommy
Whoever said get extra length cables is not realy thinking straight.
You want your cables as short as possible because the longer the length of audio cable the more interference and more quality loss there will be.
Dont run cables near other cables when possible. |
Seriously, an additional 3-6 feet in your RCA cables to give you a bit of extra slack is NOT going to overly affect the sound quality... |
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