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Aria: fallen off the map for techno completely?! (pg. 5)
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| magikb |
| Thanks for the info Sarah! You never know when it may come in handy :) |
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| Kate Manus |
| quote: | Originally posted by Skipper
Of course - but from our conversations, I've gathered your desired life experiences involve techno and the music scene, or did I miss something?
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Still a small factor in 'life experiences'.
Jenn: I also think you'd probably be better off with that idea in Toronto.. I would even consider a small party in Ottawa these days. I have a few ideas though, I'll just have to see if anything can come together.
As for the no-smoking comments, I can say from experience it also hasn't seemed to hurt the Ottawa 'scene' too much either in the last few years they've had the bylaw. |
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| Lopitrance |
I think you guys could take a hint from the people that have been posting in here.
How many different people have actually posted in this thread? Isnt that an indication as to how many TAs (EDM addicts and more devoted than most) like techno? I mean, if only a handful of TAs are posting saying they loooove Techno, erm, seems like a decent representative sample to me. Take into consideration the average joes that go to club on friday/saturday nights prolly have 90% less knowledge than we do about the music, and chances are less of a taste for a genre like techno, which for ME anyways is an aquired taste, I aquired it, then sadly lost it.
I think thats the story for a lot of TAs anyway, but I could just be blowing hot air.
Truly, I respect Kate's and Skipper's love for Techno, but for you of all people (dedicated addicts) does it come as this much of a suprise that a club like Aria is limiting it's Techno nights? Mauro was a success yes, but he's Mauro Picotto. I was there, and enjoyed it and I dislike techno :p hehehe.
To be honest, someone's gonna have to revive Montreal's techno craving, Preach would be the first one to come to mind as he is a VERY talented DJ and is clearly passionate about his music and his fans, me thinks in a year or two Preach will be exponentialy more famous and will be able to spark people from his (not quite home town but ya)'s interest in techno again, people will all be like. "Hey man, that preach guy is from Montreal, techno rocks" or whatever people say these days, and suddenly, bam techno everywhere. ahahaha, or at least that's my crazy prediction of the evening.:crazy: |
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| Kate Manus |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lopitrance
does it come as this much of a suprise that a club like Aria is limiting it's Techno nights? |
It's not a surprise at all that Aria has significantly reduced their techno bookings, they have for all genres anyway... but this isn't even just headliners, it's residents as well. This may be due to other circumstances so I'm not suggesting Aria is to blame, but it's still a factor in why I started this thread... there isn't even any kind of regular techno night now, expensive headliner or not.
We were a bit spoiled with Mateo, Yaz, Preach and Marco as Friday residents, I used to go often on those nights. I'm equally disappointed not to have that option anymore either. |
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| Skipper |
Does Yaz DJ anymore, really?
and Preach has moved away...
Mini was playing Aria for awhile
Maus has been known to be techy but not predominantly so...
Maybe this means there is a new opportunity for up and comers to start blending techno with other genres, to bridge the gap a bit and bring techno back to the big clubs, inch by inch? because this is what non-techno headliners are doing...they are crossing genres all over the place. Maybe that's what the key success factor is for a new resident? |
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| Kate Manus |
| I think a lot of the friday residents do already cross genres to a point.... and it's not like you will never hear anything techy.. but it wouldn't generally be enough to be considered a techno fix for me anyway. |
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| ninjahola |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kate Manus
I would even consider a small party in Ottawa these days. I have a few ideas though, I'll just have to see if anything can come together.
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Steve Rachmad?
pretty please |
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| Skipper |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kate Manus
I think a lot of the friday residents do already cross genres to a point.... and it's not like you will never hear anything techy.. but it wouldn't generally be enough to be considered a techno fix for me anyway. |
so... what would?
From others I hear there are plenty of techno beats in Mtl, it's just not coming from DJ mag's top 100 chart, and it's not strictly hard european techno. I guess that is, strictly, what you're referring to? |
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| gummipolarbear |
| Yaz spins at Circus although I'm not sure his style now, haven't done a Circus Friday for awhile now. I prefer Aria on Fridays |
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| Kate Manus |
| quote: | Originally posted by ninjahola
Steve Rachmad?
pretty please |
not really doable this time unfortunately - but he will be playing NYC on April 22.. I am seriously considering the roadtrip for this.
Mcb001982: you should check it out - at the Avalon apparently! |
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| Biggy |
First of all!
Malek you are wrong! Tobaco companies are not allowed to sponsor anybody in the province of Québec. Second, there will be no more sells of cigarettes in any clubs in the province after May 31st so this is totally different than Toronto or Ottawa. So if a club was getting $200K/year from a tobaco company, that was representing a load of bookings. Now, you will see only 20-30% of out of town dj's compared to the previous years.
Now, Kate Manus!
Aria did everything for techno in this city. More than everybody else in this country. We spent millions of dollars on techno dj's and you know what? We never made any money out of a techno dj.
We tried all the techno promoters in town, spent a load of money on promotion (magazine, newspaper, flyers, posters, e-mails, web-site, radio, ing everything) and people were not coming. The days of techno in Montreal are over and since a long time. The Laurent Garnier booking at Parking is really funny to me (do you seriously think that these people really like Laurent and will go for him???).
514 tried to book Laurent a while back and they canceled him because they sold only 8 tickets 1 day before the show. I was thinking that I would do better with him but I had barely 200 people for him. At 8000$usd + hotel rooms, work permit, restaurant,local transportation, the rental of equipement and a special sound tech to fix all this equipement. Also you have to put more promotion so there is extra money on the promo!! :haha: Now, only now I realize how I was stupid to give so much of my money to all these dj's. These people are only dj's and they are playing vinyls or cd's. They are not Metallica, Madona or George Benson! Some of these dj's are playing for 1 or 2 years only and get more money a year than doctors (do you seriously think this is normal). I don't want to approve this anymore. For sure I will make some exceptions for dj's that are more than dj's to me and are friends. On top of that, Aria tried everything even out of Aria. Carl Cox at 1234 was a total disaster financially with only 600 people. Rush was not good for Martin at Club Soda, now what do you want more??? The young people do not listen house, techno or d&b, they listen hip-hop music. Get over it, techno is over here. Even in Europe, it's far to be as big as before (I know Preach try to convince himself but...). Chris Liebing is slowing down (bpm), and many techno dj's are going to the minimal, electro side. Even Loco told me last week-end that hard techno was far, far to be as popular as before in Germany. And if there is a country where people used to like techno, it was Germany.
It's the same for trance, when the agent of Armin contact us and ask us for $25Kusd, what this agent think??? He thoink that Armin can bring 2000 people in Montreal? Barely 700-800 people in mtl for Armin.
And btw, it's the same in Quebec city. In Toronto, I don't know the numbers and I will not tell you that I know.
P.S. Kate, most of the dj's you like are even not good (most of them played Aria and locals were better). I will not drop names here, but the list is very long, they are very average for the big money.
P.S.2. You need to know also that here in Canada, there is a tax of 15% federal and 9% provincial on top of all the dj's cost (this is a tax that the dj should pay normally but they don't want to pay for it so clubs need to pay). Actually Aria and Dagobert are the only two clubs in the Canada who paid these taxs. These taxs represent many hundred of thousands of $, and when revenu Canada will go for the other clubs, trust me alot of them will close (when they ask you the money of the 5 last years, this will represent the bankrupt of many).
I will still book some dedicated dj's that are nice, cool and friendly that are not charging a fortune just for a fake popularity.
You can count DJ Dan, Loco Dice, Ferry Corsten and some other nice guys. |
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| UneeK |
| quote: | Originally posted by Biggy
So if a club was getting $200K/year from a tobaco company, that was representing a load of bookings. Now, you will see only 20-30% of out of town dj's compared to the previous years. |
does that mean after may 31st the advanced series at aria will be affected?
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Now, only now I realize how I was stupid to give so much of my money to all these dj's. These people are only dj's and they are playing vinyls or cd's. They are not Metallica, Madona or George Benson! Some of these dj's are playing for 1 or 2 years only and get more money a year than doctors (do you seriously think this is normal). I don't want to approve this anymore. |
This i agree with completetly. DJ are in overpaid. But its their market worth. But it really sucks...spinning records and getting paid like 5 g's an hour.
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Carl Cox at 1234 was a total disaster financially with only 600 people. |
Wow i thought that night was PACKEED and thought it was a success for sure.
| quote: | I will still book some dedicated dj's that are nice, cool and friendly that are not charging a fortune just for a fake popularity.
You can count DJ Dan, Loco Dice, Ferry Corsten and some other nice guys. |
By any chance, is mauro picotto one of those? i heard that mauro charges $8000 USD which is a way less than armin or tiesto.
There is a lot of truth to what biggy is saying about the taxes. I've seen it happen. ed up . sucks for our scene. |
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