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What is Trance, to you? (pg. 9)
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| Demoted |
| quote: | Originally posted by isoterra
sig material. lol |
agreed, I'm thinking sig b0p |
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| Zombie0915 |
I think trance has a bit of a disinhibiting quality to it that causes people to express their feelings more and act really passionate about it, much in the same way the internet with its own disinhibition causes people to say things they would never dare say in person. Maybe it isn't so much embedded in the music, but the crowd that surrounds this sound just seems to be much more willing to reveal certain aspects of themselves than other types of music fans.
Trance fans that I meet, many dont seem to give a that they look like preteen or whatever when they say the things that they say. I really enjoy that aspect of trance parties personally, it is alot of fun when people don't care what they look like. All the self conciousness, fashion and clique mentality really takes alot of fun out of the music, but many trance kids don't seem to care at all what other people think of them. I do observe a transition away from this behavior though, trance gets more cliqish and vain with each passing day.
There is a limit I think, I thought that the stuff people were saying about system f - out of the blue was way too much for example. In the end, you don't feel a certain way unless you want to feel that way, you cant be hypnotized unless you want to be hypnotized. I like that people out there are wanting to celebrate in this way, but from the things im reading in this thread, alot of you seem to not like it, I don't really buy the whole "you look like a sappy gimp" type arguments, because you lot don't strike me as being that concerned with vanity and the styles of the people surrounding you. If music matters above all that silly trends and fashion crap then you wouldnt be so hostile to people that you think look stupid, there must be a bigger issue here. |
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| Dragon Kick |
| quote: | Originally posted by Mr.Mystery
It's just music, FFS. |
To you that is...making an assumption that this goes for us all is plain stupidity.
As previous guys have mentioned, we who enjoys trance music from a different aspect than you do not expect you to feel the same way about it, if you simply listens to EDM for the sake of dancing or whatever, fine.
All of you guys bitching about it being JUST music, what's your point? Do you seriously think that we'll stop seeing the music from an artistic perspective?
Well, we won't...it's much more deeper than just sounds to us, you listen to it with your ears, I listen with my mind.
To understand how we feel isn't easy, I believe you have to experience it to understand what we're talking about, and not even then can you possibly know what goes on in my mind when I hear a track, or any others mind.
And that's what makes this kind of music so wonderful, it's personal, not like vocal music when the message is given to you directly or other genres when there's no deeper meaning.
I can't say exactly WHY certain sounds makes me feel certain things, but I do believe that it has somethiing to do with our unconsciousness (sp?), some sounds remind us of memories, and that's where the emotions comes in.
I am not saying that you who just listens to it as dancing music are lacking in intelligence, you are just not willing to completely get into the art like we are.
EDM music is for me to let go of any limitations in this world, letting my emotions out and reaching a higher state of consciousness, to see the world we live in through my mind instead of my eyes.
So no, it's not "just music, FFS", it's a way of living. |
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| harriz |
A way for dance record stores to financially survive.
What do I have to do with that ?
I ll get to that in a moment... |
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| DJ Cinos |
It's a pure concept. Far superior everything else.
The music of god! The music of the very vibrations of the eternal cosmos!
:wtf: |
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| DJ Mikey Mike |
| It's the arrangement of sounds in a structured and continuous composition. So you can go ahead and be in your little 'state of trance' trying to find the 'deeper meaning' all you want, but as put so delicately by Nik, it is infact 'just music, FFS.' |
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| Zombie0915 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dragon Kick
I can't say exactly WHY certain sounds makes me feel certain things, but I do believe that it has somethiing to do with our unconsciousness (sp?), some sounds remind us of memories, and that's where the emotions comes in.
EDM music is for me to let go of any limitations in this world, letting my emotions out and reaching a higher state of consciousness, to see the world we live in through my mind instead of my eyes.
So no, it's not "just music, FFS", it's a way of living. |
I've looked into this idea quite a bit, and I've reached the conclusion that it is all cultural. The feelings we attribute to sound come from the cultural context that we put those sounds in. The reason most people attribute these spiritual and heavenly feelings to trance sounds is because trance sounds are usually played in a huge room with hundreds or thousands of people rolling their faces off under a bunch of lasers and blinking lights. If trance was played at funerals people would associate those same sounds with sadness, there is nothing within the sounds themselves that generates those feelings, it is just a simple positive reinforcement mechanism, you hear supersaws, you see people reaching for the lasers, you get that special feeling and grow to associate the sound with that feeling. That feeling really comes from the people around you, not the sound, it is just another one of those viral spreading ideas that managed to reach people all over the world.
That doesnt mean there is any shame in acting this way in the presence of those sounds, it is just a way to understand the causes of those feelings a bit better, it still doesn't explain the great hostility towards this behavior though.
The whole lack of limitations thing is a side effect of all the advances in sound technology we have now, but there are still limits to all that technology, eventually the novelty of all this technology wears off and you get back that feeling of having limits like in traditional instruments. It is still interesting sound though, being able to make noises from number sequences is hugely entertaining but there are only so many different ways to move air. |
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| Purple |
| Trance gives me feelings. |
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| Dragon Kick |
| quote: | Originally posted by Zombie0915
I've looked into this idea quite a bit, and I've reached the conclusion that it is all cultural. The feelings we attribute to sound come from the cultural context that we put those sounds in. The reason most people attribute these spiritual and heavenly feelings to trance sounds is because trance sounds are usually played in a huge room with hundreds or thousands of people rolling their faces off under a bunch of lasers and blinking lights. If trance was played at funerals people would associate those same sounds with sadness, there is nothing within the sounds themselves that generates those feelings, it is just a simple positive reinforcement mechanism, you hear supersaws, you see people reaching for the lasers, you get that special feeling and grow to associate the sound with that feeling. That feeling really comes from the people around you, not the sound, it is just another one of those viral spreading ideas that managed to reach people all over the world.
That doesnt mean there is any shame in acting this way in the presence of those sounds, it is just a way to understand the causes of those feelings a bit better, it still doesn't explain the great hostility towards this behavior though.
The whole lack of limitations thing is a side effect of all the advances in sound technology we have now, but there are still limits to all that technology, eventually the novelty of all this technology wears off and you get back that feeling of having limits like in traditional instruments. It is still interesting sound though, being able to make noises from number sequences is hugely entertaining but there are only so many different ways to move air. |
Okay, I can in some way understand you, but how about people like me, who didn't hear trance for the first time in a club, but instead by themselves? |
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| Sykonee |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dragon Kick
Okay, I can in some way understand you, but how about people like me, who didn't hear trance for the first time in a club, but instead by themselves? |
Cover art. ;) |
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| Spirit5 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dragon Kick
Okay, I can in some way understand you, but how about people like me, who didn't hear trance for the first time in a club, but instead by themselves? |
I'm sorta done with the debate on here, and i'm with you guys on this "debate"(you and UnWorldy) with this whole thing. I too am someone who listened to this stuff first on the internet on a NetRadio station (I heard PvD's "For An Angel" and it blew me away, as well Robert Mile's "Children" back in 98) not in a club. Later on I started going to events that I could get into at 15 and 16, and then I went to a few clubs once I turned 18.
But i've never been big into the club scene, but I know once I turn 21 in a few months, and get the balls to go to clubs, I'll enjoy it, esp finding other clubs then the one's i've been to, one in particular I wasn't too happy with (though it's where all the big guys play). But there's plenty of others in my area...
I base alot of my observations as a continued listener to this music, and esp of the images it puts into my mind and the way it affects my emotions just from listening to certain sounds, melodies, harmonies, voices and these textures in it. It stems from listening to stuff like Enigma, Enya, Delerium, Moby and a few others before I got into trance. |
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| Zombie0915 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dragon Kick
Okay, I can in some way understand you, but how about people like me, who didn't hear trance for the first time in a club, but instead by themselves? |
I am a person like you, I first heard trance through the computer. But surely you saw the pictures of clubbers, read the party reports, seen a scene in a movie, listened to the commentary on the radio and in the sets, read the magazines and interviews, chatted about the music on this very website, the crowd noise in the livesets you've surely downloaded, all of that stuff giving you an idea of the culture before setting foot inside a club. You kinda learn what to expect when you go out by seeing all that stuff in the trance related media, even the tone of voice of that radio announcers use gives you hints of what you are supposed to feel like when you listen all of that, just like the contagious screaming of girls at a boyband concert.
If you are anything like me you spent some time reading about this music, and found those reports glorifying the experiences of a rave. The appeal of music is that at some point in time somebody imagined all that stuff and implemented it, and that with every passing year people are constantly imagining more stuff that they then add to that pool.
You get those feelings from other people, one way or another it is the viral spreading of an idea, and new ideas are getting thrown in all the time, the degree to which that happens in modern trance is debatable. |
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