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~*ISOS 5*~ What do you think ?! (pg. 5)
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| all-nite-freak |
| I listened to this for the hell of it today...Wow, this will only set trance back a few more levels.The real drawback is that the inevitable popularity of ISOS5 in sales will cause even more garbage like what is on this compilation to be created. |
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| tart777 |
| I wish you all didn't always have an axe to grind. It's so tired. |
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| Thois |
I think there is now flow in this compilation, the tracks are all the same. They are all tracks someone would spin in the start of a set, and then put on more energy, Tiesto forgot that part. So what happens: I get bored. Dont get me wrong, all the tracks are good, but there is nothing evolving.
Of course: My opinion |
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| Subfusion |
I just managed to get my copy of ISOS 5 and I was listening to it. If listen at ISOS 1, 2 & 3 you can see how his style of music has changed in just 3 or 4 years. ISOS 4 & 5 don't really suck, I do like them but I think Tiësto is comercialised now.
He's lost the magic he had on his previous tunes, I don't know why but right now I feel his style of music is now changing to some sort of house. Tiësto has always been #1 for me but I'm afraid Armin van Buuren is #1 right now... |
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| RapidFire |
just listened to CD1.... and hey! whadda ya know? I mix better than tiesto!
Jesus this is a piss poor excuse for a MIX cd. Where to start? I guess from the beggining:
The first song starts off quite nicely. a little too nicely for Tiesto. So of course throw in some vocals and a crappy mcprog beat to ruin what couldve been a great ambient intro song and you have the Tiesto of today! The second and third songs are quite alright but the transition from the intro track into the second one made my ears bleed. Is this man deaf?? HOW IN THE HOLY HELL DO YOU TRAINWRECK ON A MIX CD???!?!?!?!! Infact I think I only heard 1 solid transition on the entire CD.
The tracks after the first one are all alright and midway through the mix some are actually quite above average. The Jes track on this one, as opposed to ISOS4, is the most annoying song on the entire CD.
Id give this a 5.5/10. and thats only because it has some nice tracks burried under a pile of Tiesto's "mixing". Also I heard no flow after the first 4 tracks or so. it just seemed to try and top each mc-prog vocal track after the next.
Tijs, stick to easy-to-mix, cheesy dutch trance. leave the Mcprog to the Markus Schulz's of the world. |
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| MichaelBoogerd! |
| quote: | Originally posted by RapidFire
Tijs, stick to easy-to-mix, cheesy dutch trance. leave the Mcprog to the Markus Schulz's of the world. |
Problem is not in the choice of "harder-to-mix" tunes but in the application and realisation of skills.
Anyone at the Miami shows will be able to comment - there were less wrecks in his two extended sets than on this release. Simply cos he was more comfortable in his surroundings and had an audience to dictate what was coming next.
The same tunes dominated both sets. Go figure why he found it so difficult to mix them on ableton or some other computer software and then decide to leave it as a wreck during the playback.
Ah well. |
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| ToF |
| quote: | Originally posted by MichaelBoogerd!
Problem is not in the choice of "harder-to-mix" tunes but in the application and realisation of skills.
Anyone at the Miami shows will be able to comment - there were less wrecks in his two extended sets than on this release. Simply cos he was more comfortable in his surroundings and had an audience to dictate what was coming next.
The same tunes dominated both sets. Go figure why he found it so difficult to mix them on ableton or some other computer software and then decide to leave it as a wreck during the playback.
Ah well. |
Stop talking about his launch party sets!! You've made me really eager to get my hands on the sets! :( |
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| RapidFire |
| quote: | Originally posted by MichaelBoogerd!
Problem is not in the choice of "harder-to-mix" tunes but in the application and realisation of skills.
Anyone at the Miami shows will be able to comment - there were less wrecks in his two extended sets than on this release. Simply cos he was more comfortable in his surroundings and had an audience to dictate what was coming next.
The same tunes dominated both sets. Go figure why he found it so difficult to mix them on ableton or some other computer software and then decide to leave it as a wreck during the playback.
Ah well. |
mc prog is much harder to mix because its aiking to house which is a genre of far less elements than trance. and with that, the track is stripped of mostly everything but the beat when its about to be mixed and you have to actually beatmatch it well and not hide behind huge buildups and snare-rolls. which, if you listen to his older live-sets, he did very well.
I could give a rats ass what his excuses are. hes not allowed to have ANY more. this CD shouldnt even have one trainwreck. its pre-recorded for sakes. All he has to do is actually listen to his own mix and re-do it. is that so hard??
not to mention Ableton beatmatches for you. this is a joke |
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| MichaelBoogerd! |
I'll take your 3 points one by one
1. WHAT. The less layers of music playing should in theory make it easier to mix. Why do you think complex tunes with multiple layers have intro/outro's? Granted most people regard house djs as superior to trance djs. But i think it has more to do with the nature of the tunes and how to build a set than it is the very nature of mixing them.
btw. Mcprog is super easy to mix. Wait for the fart/bassline to appear and float in another melody over/under it.
2. definitely agree. As a professional, never mind the second most popular DJ in the world - he should've at least sat down and made this better after the first take.
3. Listen again - the beats are MATCHED. There isn't a beatmatching error here - its more about cuepoints and timing of the tracks and also how long he leaves the tunes in when they are running together.
Ableton did his job regarding the beats... sadly tijs didn't do his part by actually pressing "go" at the right time on most transitions. |
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| RapidFire |
alright maybe Im wrong about mcprog being harder to mix but as I dont mix either of those genres, I couldn't really say. However with mcprog its much easier to tell if someone's a bad dj because much more attention is payed to the beatmatching aspect and its smoothness. and that is exactly whats lacking this entire mix. Not only are the beats not alligned, some of the songs are mixed in the most horrible places. such as far too late in the track or while one vocal is peaking he would merge it on top of another from the incoming song. thats a big no-no. and someone of his stature and experience should know this.
and thats why this mix is a disgrace. |
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| Zoso |
| Okay. I'll bite. Flame me if necessary, but I enjoy Tiesto's track selection 90% of the time. I've listened to a lot of his material, and I really don't hear these train wrecks everyone speaks of. Perhaps this is because I've only been mixing for about 4 months myself. I'm much, much better now, and I don't often make it sound like a pair of shoes in the dryer. Train wrecks are, to me, very obvious. Yet I don't recall hearing such on any of Tiesto's albums or TIC series. Can someone point me to a good, clear example of a trainwreck in his material? All of what I have listened to sounds beat matched to me. Hell, he's got me beat, and I'm actually pleased with my matching now after 4 months of weekly practice! Or is it really more a matter of his blending and cue points? |
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| RapidFire |
listen to the very first transition. none of it is un-beatmatched but its damn near close to it. it just sounds off. kinda like he just randomly picked a spot to transition into without any regard as to how it would move the mix forward or play off the other track. its amateurish.
not to mention his complete lack of subtlety all throughout the mix. Ive seriously heard live sets that are twice as good as this in every aspect. and thats just sad. |
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