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milwaukee harley-davidson for teh lose (pg. 3)
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| DJ RJT |
| quote: | Originally posted by lücid
i don't think people all over the world make fun of Milwaukee... they make fun of Wisconsin. most of the people i've known outside of the midwest don't even know anything about Milwaukee. they think Wisconsin is just farms, cows, cheese, beer, and the Green Bay Packers. |
Not even close to the only one, just the most popular... |
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| Groundhog Boy |
| quote: | Originally posted by lücid
i hate to say it but i totally agree with you... but they could still injure/kill other people. |
How, if they directly hit a pedestrian? In which case, the ped should be paying more attention, a bike is maybe 2 feet wide and easy to avoid. It's not huge like a car or truck.
I was with my mom once when we were making a left turn and this biker was impatient because everyone had to wait for oncoming traffic to pass before we could turn. So he decided to pass up the center line right as the last oncoming car was passing us and my mom turned. He went right up over our front end and flew like 25-30 feet and completely destroyed the bike. Fortunately for him, he landed in a soft field, but he still ended up in the hospital for a few days. Our car just got a dent.
I mean, I'm not advocating that it's a good thing, but at least it's less dangerous to everyone else than other DUIs |
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| all-nite-freak |
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| D-res |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RJT
Yeah, and how many of those million dollar condos are sold? And how long is the highway downtown going to be torn up? Why is it that Milwaukee as a city and county is the ONLY major city/county in Wisco to experience a decline in population over the last 15 years? Why is their crime rate steadily increasing while the police force diminishes?
Milwaukee, as a city, is the equivalent of the of the world, and the city government isn't doing anything to help the city... Think before you speak Andy, a huge condo boom doesn't mean when people aren't buying. |
you've opened pandoras box dude. this is the type of i live for. so let me start.
you obviously dont get this but in order for a building to be built, they need to secure financing. in the case of commercial developments, you must secure a large enough tenant or enough tenants who commit to office space before they build the building, otherwise the developers make blank office space and lose money. that doesnt happen so unless a tenant is secured, they dont build the building. the same thing goes for condos. they wont build unless a certain percentage of the condos are bought. generally, depending on the size of the project or the price of condoes this can vary from 30% to 70%. most of the condos being built in milwaukee have a 40% or a 60% minimum. considering how many buildings are being built or converted into condos throughout downtown, the third ward and the east side, this means that indeed people ARE buying condos. the js does articles on things like this all the time. they just did one about people from the chicago suburbs buying condos in the 3rd ward on the river as vacation homes due to the fact that its so much less expensive than the ones in chicago, although i cant imagine 300,000 being cheap. this is also leading to a steady INCREASE in the downtown population.
the marquette interchange project is happening because, even since the original was built, it has been inefficient and dangerous. the old one was built to handle about 150,000 cars a day but it current handles nearly 350,000 a day. the marquette interchange project itself will be happening into 2008 but this is actually just the first step in a large highway renovation going down throughout the metro area and along I94 to chicago.
the population decline is due to a lot of factors which i wont go into because i dont have that much time but its NOT the only city to experience decline although due to the fact that its the only true major city in the state, it follows a simliar trend that most other major cities in the midwest have followed. after the industrial decline decades ago people lost jobs. we all know that. its common knowledge. this is where the name "rust belt" for the midwest was coined. milwuakee along with st loius, indianapolis, detroit, cinncinatti, colombus and even minneapolis have experienced population decline due to these factors. along with those, people with money including families and young professionals seek the american dream and move to the suburbs. thats why the metro populations for all these cities is constantly experiencing growth. urbn sprawl is a huge problem. a lot of people are moving out of cold climates for year around warth. this, along with the trend of sprawl have contributed to the metro areas of cities like atlanta, charlotte and pheonix to skyrocket. of course sprawl isnt necessarily a good thing. the metro area of atlanta has become a huge problem and its swallowing up the entire state of georgia. unplanned suburban deveolpment and everyones desire for a 2 story house with a big backyard means turns into constant outward development from the city center, which explains why these metros are growing at such an alarming rate. i fear for pheonix because considering its location in the middle of the desert, they dont have any good source of water and have nearly sucked the colorado river dry to make manmade lakes around golf courses and so everyone can sprinkler their grass and keep it green, but im getting off topic.
Crime is not increasing by any means either. violent crime is in fact down and crime in general has stayed quite steady and has declined since last year. the city gov't is doing a lot to help this but my fingers are getting tired so i'll spare you the reading. i think you need to go to milwaukee and take a serious tour with someone who knows the city and knows the kinds of developments that are going on around the area before you open your mouth and compare milwaukee to the of the world. also, consider going here: clicky
i joined that site with the same mentality that milwaukee was a hole and people just like my current self showed me exactly why thats a completely ignorant viewpoint. |
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| lücid |
| quote: | Originally posted by Groundhog Boy
How, if they directly hit a pedestrian? In which case, the ped should be paying more attention, a bike is maybe 2 feet wide and easy to avoid. It's not huge like a car or truck. |
yes, it could happen. saying that the pedestrian should be paying more attention is the worst justification for an accident like that... yes, they should be aware of their surroundings, but they have no control over a bike or car or any other vehicle being operated by a drunk driver that might swing around the corner and take them out.
in the summertime here in Milwaukee the streets downtown are filled with people on foot, on motorcycles, and in cars... i could definitely see someone getting hurt by a drunk driver on a motorcycle.
| quote: | | I was with my mom once when we were making a left turn and this biker was impatient because everyone had to wait for oncoming traffic to pass before we could turn. So he decided to pass up the center line right as the last oncoming car was passing us and my mom turned. He went right up over our front end and flew like 25-30 feet and completely destroyed the bike. Fortunately for him, he landed in a soft field, but he still ended up in the hospital for a few days. Our car just got a dent. |
my co-worker's fiance back in NY was hit by a kid on a sport bike, and even though he walked away from the accident with no injuries, his car was totalled.
| quote: | | I mean, I'm not advocating that it's a good thing, but at least it's less dangerous to everyone else than other DUIs |
yes, it might be less dangerous, but that doesn't make it any more safe. |
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| D-res |
| quote: | Originally posted by all-nite-freak
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just to the right of the cudahy there are two more more high rises. one completed and one near completion.
plus i'd like to point out that people dont seem to notice that milwaukees downtown is significantly larger than those of similarly sized cities. due to this, the buildings which excede mid-rise status have been built, unfortunately, quite spread out. there are a lot gaps in the skyline due to this spread out fashion leads to the idea that the skyline is and there are no tall buildings, when in reality, its just spread out |
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| lücid |
| quote: | Originally posted by D-res
you've opened pandoras box dude. this is the type of i live for. so let me start. |
thank you for writing that because i admit even i don't really know a lot about Milwaukee. i lived downtown for 2 years but i'm a transplant from NY so there's a lot of stuff about the city that i don't know about... and now that i'm out in Waukesha i pay even less attention to what's goin on in Milwaukee.
RJT has always hated Milwaukee and probably always will. :p |
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| Groundhog Boy |
| quote: | Originally posted by lücid
yes, it might be less dangerous, but that doesn't make it any more safe. |
Maybe i took the other part a bit too far, but by definition, less dangerous = more safe (safer) |
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| all-nite-freak |
| quote: | Originally posted by D-res
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America already has a Cleveland |
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| D-res |
| quote: | Originally posted by all-nite-freak
zzzz.....zzzzZZZ
America already has a Cleveland |
but unfortunately cleveland has killed one of its best features: its lakefront. while it does make use of its lakefront in some cases, its mostly covered with buildings. milwaukee on the other hand makes damn good use of its lakefront by keep buildings away from the waterfront and building parks, beaches, marinas and walking trails stretching along a large section. even into the suburbs people own houses (huge in houses at that) on top of the bluff overlooking the lake bu below are trees, trails and public beaches. |
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| lücid |
| quote: | Originally posted by Groundhog Boy
Maybe i took the other part a bit too far, but by definition, less dangerous = more safe (safer) |
yes, by definition... but i still think using the word "safe" to describe an act like drinking and driving is ludicrous. it doesn't matter what kind of vehicle the drunk driver is operating, and if they'd drive drunk on a motorcycle they'd probably drive drunk in a car as well. |
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| lücid |
| quote: | Originally posted by D-res
milwaukee on the other hand makes damn good use of its lakefront |
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