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Ok, so set-planning/dj. Which is worse?? the debate goes on....
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So...
what's worse?
- Pre-planning sections of your set, and writing them down?
- Sorting your records by BPM?
- Using Ableton because you are not a good dj?
- Making edits of tracks strictly so they work better for your set/style or to remove/add parts (in essence this is pre-planning)
- Playing the same 1 track in every set?
- Being a DJ who only plays big tracks/ASOT hits?
- Playing good tracks, but only mixing the last and first 30 seconds?
come on people, too many ways to look at it, so let the poll decide
that thread about GTR/Darude going on pretty long |
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| SYSTEM-J |
The debate is really about the fact that DJs can get given huge amounts of credit (and by that I clearly mean "money") for not being actually very good.
In terms of the dancefloor, most people will neither know the difference nor really care. I think there's minor irony in this:
DJ fan cites their favourite DJ as bestest evah.
Jaded elitist says "but they pre-plan and use software to mix for them and so forth", before naming the first poster as a DJ worshipper for being blind to the relative merit of the DJ.
To me, a DJ is a DJ. People who value that trade at all are promoting DJ worship: they're placing the actions and methods of the DJ ahead of the actual party. Both are as bad as each other. If everyone just left the DJ alone and got on with listening to the music then it wouldn't be an issue.
And I realise that this post doesn't remotely answer the question. It more discounts the question. But the DJ's place at the heart of electronic dance music is so deeply ingrained that my opinion is worth all here, because people will pay the DJ attention, whether by worshipping the water they walk over or judging their every transition.
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| LieberDJ |
| all of those things sound like good ideas if implemented properly |
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| Ishkur |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
The debate is really about the fact that DJs can get given huge amounts of credit (and by that I clearly mean "money") for other people's music.
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| LieberDJ |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ishkur
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you need to fix your webstie because argonauts was released in 1984 |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ishkur
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Yeah, that's what I meant, especially with the last bit. I see DJs as an interesting way of presenting music, rather than an art-form in itself. Of course there's collagists and DJ Shadow and blah blah blah, but those guys are closer to using a DJ trick to create a conventional type of musical art than being an ultimate extension of the DJ. After all, nicking bits of other people's music wasn't born with the first DJ. |
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| rev |
| quote: | Originally posted by LieberDJ
all of those things sound like good ideas if implemented properly |
The main point is that all of your favorite dj's do some of these things in their own ways. And more then that, is that your personal opinion of the person or his music goes ahead of ability to see whether or not they go against your own philosophies.
If this was a discussion about the merritts of being a technical and spontaneous dj/performer, then this discussion would be centred on people like KEN ISHII, JEFF MILLS, INFUSION live, Z-TRIP, BURRIDGE or HAWTIN. None of the top-ranked trance dj's do anything unique. Trance is not a genre about the technical abilities of the dj, its a genre where the tracks themselves outweigh everything else.
If you're hoping to be blown away by the technical proficency of a trance dj, you'd be at a Hawtin/Ishii show instead. If you were at a trance dj event hoping to see an unbelievable display of track selection, then you should actually be watching LTJ BUKEM taking his set from nu jazz, downtempo, liquid funk to hard hitting drum n bass.... |
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| isoterra |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ishkur
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i take it you haven't heard much G&D lately :wtf: |
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| isoterra |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
To me, a DJ is a DJ. People who value that trade at all are promoting DJ worship: they're placing the actions and methods of the DJ ahead of the actual party. Both are as bad as each other. If everyone just left the DJ alone and got on with listening to the music then it wouldn't be an issue. |
the problem with that view is that people rely on DJ names to judge what kind of music will get played at a party, so paying them atleast SOME attention is going to be inevitable. eg, if the music turns out to be right up your street, it's more of a reason to see the DJ again, rather than go to the club again. still i disagree with this statement: "People who value that trade at all are promoting DJ worship"... since there's a big gap between acknowledging & worshipping |
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| Ishkur |
| quote: | Originally posted by LieberDJ
you need to fix your webstie because argonauts was released in 1984 |
what the hell are you talking about? |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by isoterra
the problem with that view is that people rely on DJ names to judge what kind of music will get played at a party, so paying them atleast SOME attention is going to be inevitable. eg, if the music turns out to be right up your street, it's more of a reason to see the DJ again, rather than go to the club again. still i disagree with this statement: "People who value that trade at all are promoting DJ worship"... since there's a big gap between acknowledging & worshipping |
By "trade" I meant in the sense of the craft of DJing- the techniques or the "tricks of the trade". Whatever you want to call it. Obviously you can't pay attention to the music without involving the DJ, because hearing music at a club is ultimately a matter of surrendering to the DJ's tastes (unless they're playing what they "should" play). |
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