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Paul Van Dyk Agrees With Gareth Emery that 95% of Trance is bollocks (pg. 9)
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| isoterra |
| quote: | Originally posted by Mr.Mystery
I really hate to repeat myself, but they're still both the same stuff regardless, just in a different package. |
that's bull. if they sound different, they ARE different. that's different as in the opposite of indifferent; if people felt indifference for them then you wouldn't get so many stating preference for one over the other.
it evolves around the same formula and uses many of the same techniques, true. that doesn't make it 'the same thing'.
it's pointless arguing though, since we're not debating the difference between the trance of 99 & present, rather just what constitutes two things being 'the same' |
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| Hydroid |
lol here we go again :D :D
yeah most of the trance is today , but there's also some good stuff aswell that we all love.
pvd isn't the right person indeed but who the care? :toocool: :toocool:
that's pretty much everything ;) |
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| 8Wonders |
PVD and Gareth are both right, but PVD is in more of a position to make such a statement.
We have a much much bigger problem on our hands. It's much more serious than most of you know. It's something you'd only know if you were involved in the industry on a deeper level, or atleast had information from sources close.
The future is not bright for Trance music, that includes uplifting, progressive and any other derivative. Evidence of this will emerge as the year concludes. |
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| isoterra |
| quote: | Originally posted by 8Wonders
PVD and Gareth are both right, but PVD is in more of a position to make such a statement.
We have a much much bigger problem on our hands. It's much more serious than most of you know. It's something you'd only know if you were involved in the industry on a deeper level, or atleast had information from sources close.
The future is not bright for Trance music, that includes uplifting, progressive and any other derivative. Evidence of this will emerge as the year concludes. |
i see your post & raise you a :wtf:
seriously WTF? |
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| isoterra |
| btw if you're on about plummetting vinyl sales then yeah yeah we saw that a mile off, welcome to the present |
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| Pinokio |
| quote: | Originally posted by lex400sc
STOP FEEDING THE TROLLS.
kthx,
management |
what do you mean? |
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| gizzymcg |
| quote: | [i][b]
The future is not bright for Trance music, that includes uplifting, progressive and any other derivative. Evidence of this will emerge as the year concludes. |
I think you mistake "uncool" for "dying". Proper trance ie outside psy isnt cool anymore and people that like it get chastised for liking it. Its all "cheesy" now and isnt credible. Well tbh i couldnt care less. Ive been uncool in that sense for about 3-4 years. I like other EDM but nothing is like your favourite trance tune blasting out in a club at peak time. I challenge any clubber whatever they are into that no other style of dance music gets the same reaction or creates the same atmosphere on a good nite. |
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| Numidia |
| quote: | Originally posted by 8Wonders
PVD and Gareth are both right, but PVD is in more of a position to make such a statement.
We have a much much bigger problem on our hands. It's much more serious than most of you know. It's something you'd only know if you were involved in the industry on a deeper level, or atleast had information from sources close.
The future is not bright for Trance music, that includes uplifting, progressive and any other derivative. Evidence of this will emerge as the year concludes. |
:nervous: Jesus Christ Arney... that is quite the doomsday message you just gave! "The Music you Love is Going to Die a slow and painful death!" haha... kidding.
If the "evidence" is that SS is going bankrupt, you've gotta be ing ting me, that would suck!
Truth be told, I don't care how dead the industry ever gets, as much as that would blow, I'm always going to be listening to uplifting, I don't care if i'm the last person on the world doing so. |
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| DJMaytag |
| quote: | Originally posted by gizzymcg
I think you mistake "uncool" for "dying". Proper trance ie outside psy isnt cool anymore and people that like it get chastised for liking it. Its all "cheesy" now and isnt credible. Well tbh i couldnt care less. Ive been uncool in that sense for about 3-4 years. I like other EDM but nothing is like your favourite trance tune blasting out in a club at peak time. I challenge any clubber whatever they are into that no other style of dance music gets the same reaction or creates the same atmosphere on a good nite. |
When I started DJ'ing in 2001, I was definitely chastised for being a "trance DJ" (even though prog house was also a big part of my sound). I didn't really care because I liked a lot of what was coming out then and what was being released until about 2003 when I noticed a trend in the music that was a bit disturbing.
There was a good bit of incredible music coming out during this time, but I was becoming very aware of the fact that the epic breakdowns were killing the dancefloor, especially ones that were 2:00 or longer and/or dropped to almost dead silence. While a big name DJ at a big club would get a HUGE reaction out of this (hands up in the air and screaming going on), smaller DJ's might not. Those small time DJ's are the ones that by and large support the industry, and if they're experiencing anything like myself and many others did, they're not going to support the vinyl releases and choose to go to other dancefloor friendly material such as prog house or tech house which tend to be the most logical alternative).
There is still some brilliant music being produced, don't get me wrong, but dancefloor friendly material is what seems to lacking (this aspect may well make 99% of all trance absolute garbage). Thinking back to about the time I essentially quit as primarily a trance DJ, there were a TON of amazing tracks that were GREAT to listen to (especially in the car!) but I would NEVER want to spin at a club because I know that they wouldn't work on the floor. The strings and/or pad sounds tend to make people SLEEPY, no matter what the beat may be doing (ie putting people into a "trance" in a bad way!). Throw on top of that 30 seconds of silence and another minute of a half of build up/breakdown and people tend to lose interest on the floor (probably moreso an American problem since we tend to have such a short attention span).
If this is something that other DJ's across the country (or world) are experiencing (and I know for a fact that it's not just me), then the potential customer base is GOING to be shrinking, quite possibly rapidly until a change in the genre occurs (read: undancable fluffy needs to go away). |
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| Nayil |
| quote: | Originally posted by Mr.Mystery
I don't really understand why people keep wanting the '99 sound back anyway - back then there was as much crap tracks as there is now. It's just that nobody seems to remember those... |
10000000+991293192312392*e^0 |
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| Abhay |
Paul Van Dyk will tell you whatever makes you go out and buy his . Just like any other DJ.
He listens to ur opinions, and says whatever is necessary to get you on his side. Just like the violin he plays out to everyone about how he was raised "on the wrong side of the berlin wall", and how tough it was for him. |
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| Abhay |
BTW.
where the is the source for this?
link please. |
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