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Why all the AvB hate? (pg. 2)
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| Djshortcircuit |
Whatever you do, Don't bring up Tiesto...
Just kidding*
:rolleyes:
You'll understand when you go through the site...
Welcome to T.A.:p |
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| finalhazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by flavdave
What the hell do chord progressions have to do with anything? |
idk, armin has a warm sound like on Too Late To Turn... i've never really heard warm, romantic chords like Maj7s in trance before..
so it's a changing of sound/selling out issue? |
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| isoterra |
| quote: | Originally posted by RebeL9
To keep a long story long this it how it goes:
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fixed :wtf: |
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| gizzymcg |
As i have said many times Armin Circa 2004 is very different from Armin today. Sets are predictable anthem bashing and although does entertain and make me dance hes nowhere near as good as i remember. Any person who can beatmatch can play some of the sets Armin does. There used to be something special when he played out that is now missing.
If anyone doubts my observation see Armin @ Global 2004 Vs. say Armin @ Trance Energy 2006. NO CONTEST imo. (the tunes in the global set although virtually classics now were uber-exclusives at that time) |
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| Cobalt |
| quote: | Originally posted by RebeL9
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Yeah, that's a pretty fair analysis.
Though I'd contend that things started going downhill in 2002 with his remix of Seven Cities, followed by Sky Falls Down. Those evidenced a certain laziness and lack of integrity, which was soon reflected in the radio show and label. I remember reading TA at the time, and the Seven Cities remix was his first production people were openly split over.
Contrast with his Rapture remix in 2001, which I feel was the apex of his career. It's sad more than anything else, because Armin is an extremely capable producer, but seems to no longer put any effort or artistic honesty into his work. |
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| JM |
| quote: | Originally posted by Numidia
On the contrary, when it comes to Armin it's quite uncool to bash him around here. People with any criticisms of him, no matter how small, are definitely in the minority on this site. |
yep yep. i havent heard much crap about armin... i have heard some bashing in regards to him using the same baseline in all his trax, but whatever. most people don't know what they're talking about anyways...
... and opinions are like s. everyone has one.
>JM< |
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| ShaunLovesHouse |
| quote: | Originally posted by JM
yep yep. i havent heard much crap about armin... i have heard some bashing in regards to him using the same baseline in all his trax, but whatever. most people don't know what they're talking about anyways...
... and opinions are like s. everyone has one.
>JM< |
And everyone thinks everyone else's stinks. |
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| DjConfessions |
i just took a listen to his A State of Trance 2006 disc and it totally blows my mind in construction and layout. Top notch.
But lots of good points with ^^^, especially on the decline of the online broadcast |
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| varun |
| quote: | Originally posted by RebeL9
Hate is a very sharp word. I wouldn't use it. I would instead use the word disappointment .
To make a long story short this it how it goes:
Armin when he started to make himself a name as a DJ around 99/00 was praised by many. He was hailed not only because of of his high production quality, but also because of his innovative DJ sets which in comparison with Tiesto was not only full of epic trance but also contained some techno and house tunes. He was the one that pushed the boundaries back then. And he could mix really good on CD as well which he prooved on mix albums such as Boundaries of Imagination and his own series called Armin van Buuren 001-004.
In 2001 he started his weekly radio show A State of Trance on the dutch radio. This was also broadcasted online so listeners from all around the world could access it. A State of Trance was a platform for new and upcoming producers to showcast their new productions. Armin noticed that there was alot of talent here to take benefit of and in 2003 he started his own label Armada Music with several sub labels.
In think the founding of Armada was the first negative blow to Armin. Until that point a majority of people highly appriciated A State of Trance as a radioshow and Armin as a DJ. But afterwards you could clearly see the quality drop of the tunes played there. Not only did he play alot of tunes from his own labels but alot of the tunes he was playing used exactly the same sounds and patterns. What was happening was that a new wave of young producers were trying their luck with cheap home made software which was available for everyone and in a couple of hours anyone could make his own tune which easily could get signed.
Nothing wrong with new and upcoming producers but what these producers did was to copy the sound of their own idols such as Ferry Corsten, DJ Tiesto, Rank1 etc. Just that these sound were pretty new and cool 6-7 years ago but re-hashed later resulted in pretty lame tunes. These tunes totally dominated ASOT and Armins DJ sets.
The second blow to Armins reputation was his close partnership with Markus Schulz and his Coldharbour Recordings (a sublabel of Armada).
Markus Schulz had by 2003-2004 already gained himself a name as one of the new big DJs. Markus played a fusion of house and simple trance. However it was a sound by which many got tiresome after a while. Some called it "sleepy prog" other called it "mcprog". Progressive music which simply was quickly put together.
Markus's sound influenced Armins as well and Armin started to loose his once so energetic and refreshing sound and instead opted for the more commercial sound. Which could clearly be heard on his debute album "76" released in 2004. Alot of Armins older fans expected an album full of tunes of the same callibre as Communication, Clear Blue Moon and Star Theme. But already on "76" you could clearly hear that Armin was going for a more commercial and vocalized sound.
on his second album "Shivers" which more or less was full of collaborations with different singers Armin already had lost alot of his old faithfull fans. Tunes such as "Shivers" and "Serenity" didn't even go well down among his most hardcore fans.
To wrap up everything: When Armin is critisized today he is mainly because of the old fans feels Armin failed them when he went for the easier poppier sound. They remember Armin as the guy that produced and remixed tunes such as:
Aria - Dido (AvB remix)
Gouryella - Walhalla (AvB remix)
Moogwai - Viola (Avb remix)
Gaia - 4 Elements (AvB remix)
Airscape - L'esperanza (Rising Star remix)
Denzil & Dwayne - Force Of Habit (Armin Van Buuren's Rising Star Mix)
Rising Star - Star Theme
Perpetuous Dreamer - Future Funland
compare these with tunes such as "Birth of An Angel" and "Serenity" and you won't believe it's the same guy that produced and remixed it.
Oh this story didn't turn out to be as short as I wished. However hope it clears things up a bit. |
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| Allied Nations |
| I like AvB, saw him Rip up a 6 hour set in peru a couple years back, was ace. |
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| TrancEver |
| Now people try to begin to think about Armin's end. Will he be another Tiesto which is a name of business and commercialism? Is his sound changing that this will lead in a new sound of Armin? and the questions goes on...I persnally think that it is up to personality and when we look Tiesto in detail, he used to mention of the excitement of being an idol to Dance music from the very old times but Armin has never said something like this and I don't think his character is the same as Tiesto. An advice from me; Don't care much about the moan around, just listen to music you like and listen to your DJ you like as long as the generalised truths are concerned. |
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| Subtle |
| cause he had some awesome tracks and compilations.. (Perpetuous Dreamer - Sound Of Goodbye, Armin - Sunburn, Ocean Lab remix, Armin van Buuren 001, 002, 003, 004 etc.) and now he is just whoring the average VST trance record, and making somewhat uninspired tracks.. |
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