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Why all the AvB hate? (pg. 3)
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| Cobalt |
Sunburn = \o/
I wish Armin would really produce again. |
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| queen_vee |
| quote: | Originally posted by RebeL9
They remember Armin as the guy that produced and remixed tunes such as:
Aria - Dido (AvB remix)
Gouryella - Walhalla (AvB remix)
Moogwai - Viola (Avb remix)
Gaia - 4 Elements (AvB remix)
Airscape - L'esperanza (Rising Star remix)
Denzil & Dwayne - Force Of Habit (Armin Van Buuren's Rising Star Mix)
Rising Star - Star Theme
Perpetuous Dreamer - Future Funland
compare these with tunes such as "Birth of An Angel" and "Serenity" and you won't believe it's the same guy that produced and remixed it.
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Rebel9's is the only post you need on this topic!
I would like to add my 2c though, which is, can anyone possibly imagine his Rising Star remix of OnePhatDeeva's Bad Habit fitting into an Armin set of today? He wouldn't even touch a house track like that these days!
He has pigeon holed his sound so much now, 'Armin trance' that his sets are very restricted in what he can and can't present to his audience and he used to be the complete antithesis of that in the trance world. |
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| THE_Chris |
Ive said this before and I'll say it again.
Armin used to be very good. I wasnt around in the 00/01 days, but I came here in 2002 and thought ASOT and the Armin sound was very good. However, come 2003 he started to go downhill, his sets became monotonous and boring. The last decent set he did IMO was his 2003 Essential Mix. After that his stuff went to pieces.
I listened to his Sensation White set from last year and I turned it off after 40 minutes. I just couldnt listen to it. Pure fluffy trance with no thought put into producing. People are writing tracks simply to fit Armins style so they can say "OMG I GOT PLAYED BY ARMIN". So all the tracks he plays sound the same. Compare that with his 2001/2002 sets. Theres no comparison.
You want good Armin? Get ASOTs 1-100. You want Armin going downhill? ASOTs 101-150. After that they're just rubbish IMO.
I know everyones tastes change over time, but a person listening to 2001 Armin sets and 2005/6 Armin sets would think they were from different DJs. |
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| DaveT |
All DJs, producers, etc change over time. It's just a matter of whether the style of that producer or DJ you love changes in the same manner that your taste does. Armin went a different direction than a lot of people here wanted.
I do wish Armin did actually take a good long break and focus on doing some productions and not do work on a track whenever he has free time. Seems the be the problem with a lot of DJs. Work on a track a few hours here, a few hours there, etc etc. Because they have to worry about touring, radio shows, running labels, and other stuff. It just shows that that 100% focus isn't there with a lot of producers who are HUGE DJs these days that are travelling way too much for their own good.
Was Armin getting into Markus' stuff a mistake? Maybe in a lot of people's eyes here, but I am sure a lot of others think just the opposite. The prog sound Markus plays isn't what necessarily got tiring, just it seems most of the tracks were from a core group of producers and thus all you heard was the same constant bassline. Anyhow, Armin simply liked the style Markus brought to the table. It was a matter of the taste Armin was aquiring and going with. Armin never hid this fact, he would openly say on his radio show how he and other DJs would copying the "Markus Schulz-style of trance." (or something along those lines)
Personally, I think Markus' (live, in person) sets today are finally back as being as good as they were when I first started really listening to him in like 2002.
Anyhow, when a DJ starts to fade in people's eyes, everyone just thinks about Oakenfold's downfall. And right now Tiesto's slow demise. But Armin is still young and has a long career of ahead of him for his tastes to continue to change, etc. It's not like other DJs went through rought periods. Most of them do, including the likes of Ferry (who must have had the same record box for like 2 1/2 years at one point), Sasha, and Digweed.
Then there's the whole issue that the popular thing to do here on TA is hate on big DJs and producers. :p |
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| Push2005 |
| quote: | Originally posted by RebeL9
. He was hailed not only because of of his high production quality, but also because of his innovative DJ sets which in comparison with Tiesto was not only full of epic trance but also contained some techno and house tunes. |
I agree with your entire post, but are you sure about this sentence ? I think it really was Tiësto who stood out compared to other Dj's; because it was Tiësto who played techno in his sets. I don't think Armin used to play legendary tracks as Drax LTD II - Amphetamine or some Oliver Lieb Stuff, or some Speedy J tracks for example. Armin always stayed loyal to trance but I don't think he was more innovative than Tiësto; on the contrary...
Btw, did Armin ever played tracks of the likes like Bedrock - Heaven Scent (can't remember it though :)) |
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| RebeL9 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Push2005
I agree with your entire post, but are you sure about this sentence ? I think it really was Tiësto who stood out compared to other Dj's; because it was Tiësto who played techno in his sets. I don't think Armin used to play legendary tracks as Drax LTD II - Amphetamine or some Oliver Lieb Stuff, or some Speedy J tracks for example. Armin always stayed loyal to trance but I don't think he was more innovative than Tiësto; on the contrary...
Btw, did Armin ever played tracks of the likes like Bedrock - Heaven Scent (can't remember it though :)) |
as a matter of fact Armin played the stuff you mentioned before Tiesto did. I have 7 year old Armin sets where he plays stuff such as:
Bismark - Reactivate
Kiko - World Cup
DJ Nukem vs Chab - Shaiva
Bedrock - Voices
LSG - I'm Not Exiting
Humate - Choose Life (Trancesetters Remix)
Slide - Closure (Lounge Tech Mix)
Natious - Amber (Oliver Lieb Remix)
Trancesetters - Roaches
Mindspace - Mind Control
Moshic & Landa - Faza
Chris Cowie - Therapy
all great proggy and techy tunes. alot which were also played by Marco V back then. It was stuff like this which gave Armins set a nice flow. He could throw in a massive monster like Shaiva in the middle of the set and totally change the vibe to something more furious and agressive. This was during the time when Tiesto recorded his Magik 6 and Tiestos set back then mainly consisted of epic stuff. |
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| Cloud |
| quote: | | :WTF: Armin, this is trance.?..This is music for kids...stop playing this fluffy . |
Rebel9 great post. |
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| feidias |
| Hmm though what remains without an answer is Y armin from being so innovative ,pure and original followed the commercial ,easy road.Under what circumstances this downhill happened? |
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| apollo_144 |
| I don't hate him I just think he's insanely overrated. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cobalt
Contrast with his Rapture remix in 2001, which I feel was the apex of his career. |
Oh hell yes. The only Armin production which I felt genuinely lived up to his reputation. |
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| weymouth |
It's a small minority of people that say negative things about DJs on this site don't be fooled.
I dont think that most of the negativity towards Armin is towards him but rather his internet show. A State of Trance has really defined what is popular for mainstream trance for the past three years and a % of the songs he plays are not high quality songs they are just the latest songs(to find out the percentage ask the math wiz Gareth Emery or PvD :D). However, the listening audience has a hard time differentiating between the difference of "omg new tune by producer x" and if that tune is a quality track even if it's from that special producer. We then expect to hear those new songs by those producers played on ASOT/at gigs but these songs were never quality songs to begin with, just the newest and greatest from a specific producer. Newer DJs see the attention that a show like ASOT gets and wants a piece of that pie so their playlists become just like ASOT and the oversaturation begins.
This is my objective view of it and Im an Armin fan(DJ only, he's a horrid producer but good remixer) and listen to ASOT almost weekly. |
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