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Why all the AvB hate? (pg. 5)
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| isoterra |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cloud
Yeah he plays some prog/house tunes at the beginning but the rest of the episode sounds like I am listening to the last episode.
Well that happened some weeks ago. |
ahh i see. get you on that;) |
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| juventus |
| quote: | Originally posted by RebeL9
Hate is a very sharp word. I wouldn't use it. I would instead use the word disappointment .
To make a long story short this it how it goes:
Armin when he started to make himself a name as a DJ around 99/00 was praised by many. He was hailed not only because of of his high production quality, but also because of his innovative DJ sets which in comparison with Tiesto was not only full of epic trance but also contained some techno and house tunes. He was the one that pushed the boundaries back then. And he could mix really good on CD as well which he prooved on mix albums such as Boundaries of Imagination and his own series called Armin van Buuren 001-004.
In 2001 he started his weekly radio show A State of Trance on the dutch radio. This was also broadcasted online so listeners from all around the world could access it. A State of Trance was a platform for new and upcoming producers to showcast their new productions. Armin noticed that there was alot of talent here to take benefit of and in 2003 he started his own label Armada Music with several sub labels.
In think the founding of Armada was the first negative blow to Armin. Until that point a majority of people highly appriciated A State of Trance as a radioshow and Armin as a DJ. But afterwards you could clearly see the quality drop of the tunes played there. Not only did he play alot of tunes from his own labels but alot of the tunes he was playing used exactly the same sounds and patterns. What was happening was that a new wave of young producers were trying their luck with cheap home made software which was available for everyone and in a couple of hours anyone could make his own tune which easily could get signed.
Nothing wrong with new and upcoming producers but what these producers did was to copy the sound of their own idols such as Ferry Corsten, DJ Tiesto, Rank1 etc. Just that these sound were pretty new and cool 6-7 years ago but re-hashed later resulted in pretty lame tunes. These tunes totally dominated ASOT and Armins DJ sets.
The second blow to Armins reputation was his close partnership with Markus Schulz and his Coldharbour Recordings (a sublabel of Armada).
Markus Schulz had by 2003-2004 already gained himself a name as one of the new big DJs. Markus played a fusion of house and simple trance. However it was a sound by which many got tiresome after a while. Some called it "sleepy prog" other called it "mcprog". Progressive music which simply was quickly put together.
Markus's sound influenced Armins as well and Armin started to loose his once so energetic and refreshing sound and instead opted for the more commercial sound. Which could clearly be heard on his debute album "76" released in 2004. Alot of Armins older fans expected an album full of tunes of the same callibre as Communication, Clear Blue Moon and Star Theme. But already on "76" you could clearly hear that Armin was going for a more commercial and vocalized sound.
on his second album "Shivers" which more or less was full of collaborations with different singers Armin already had lost alot of his old faithfull fans. Tunes such as "Shivers" and "Serenity" didn't even go well down among his most hardcore fans.
To wrap up everything: When Armin is critisized today he is mainly because of the old fans feels Armin failed them when he went for the easier poppier sound. They remember Armin as the guy that produced and remixed tunes such as:
Aria - Dido (AvB remix)
Gouryella - Walhalla (AvB remix)
Moogwai - Viola (Avb remix)
Gaia - 4 Elements (AvB remix)
Airscape - L'esperanza (Rising Star remix)
Denzil & Dwayne - Force Of Habit (Armin Van Buuren's Rising Star Mix)
Rising Star - Star Theme
Perpetuous Dreamer - Future Funland
compare these with tunes such as "Birth of An Angel" and "Serenity" and you won't believe it's the same guy that produced and remixed it.
Oh this story didn't turn out to be as short as I wished. However hope it clears things up a bit. |
Great info!
+ he plays the SAME tunes in his sets! Just like PvD (Tiesto not so much, although he doesn't play trance anymore :toothless) |
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| JohnPaullino |
| quote: | Originally posted by THE_Chris
Ive said this before and I'll say it again.
People are writing tracks simply to fit Armins style so they can say "OMG I GOT PLAYED BY ARMIN". So all the tracks he plays sound the same. Compare that with his 2001/2002 sets. Theres no comparison.
You want good Armin? Get ASOTs 1-100. You want Armin going downhill? ASOTs 101-150. After that they're just rubbish IMO.
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Very true |
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| Dreamer2go |
what do you think of Armin's new remix Racoon - Love You More?
I thought it had the Armin feel again...
Another thing you can compare is:
A State of Trance 2004 (which in my opinion, a very highly energetic trance set. My favorite ASOT CD)to ASOT 2005.
You can see how his style changed =) |
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| whatsupd0g |
Truu
and for being top DJs these guys aren't doing very much "DJing".
I don't consider myself a virtuoso DJ, but I once recorded a one hour mix that contained 12 songs for an online radio show, mind you this online radio show gets guest sets from name brand trance DJs too, the host DJ threw his hands up in amazement wondering how I managed to fit 12 songs into one hour. I'm thinking to myself good lord.. you know the trance DJ scene is pathetic when 12 songs in an hour is considered impressive, when guys like Eric Sneo are fitting 12 tracks into a minute.
Don't get me wrong. I like to enjoy and hear full songs too, but come on.. it's not like EVERY damn song they're playing is a HUGE TUNE. (and if they are, sets full of huge anthems are really boring after awhile).. Just speed by those generic tunes and then play out that occasional choooon. |
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| msz |
| its not about how many tracks you can fit in a specific timeframe. |
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| Rainborn |
| It's only natural when someone becomes big, which also means alot of people listen to her/him, that both disappointment and appreciation is shown amongst the fans. For when he becomes big, he'll get new fans, and they listen to the stuff he's playing at the very moment (which would be the poppier stuff), while the ones that used to listen to him are disappointed 'cause of the sudden change. |
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| timmyboy2 |
I thought it was one of the best trance tunes.
So I bought AVB Shivers and I was expecting the same quality of music and it just wasn't the same calibut as Communication.
Now I see the new DVD is $30!!! Am i going to spend my money on it? probably not!!! |
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| Demoted |
| quote: | Originally posted by timmyboy2
I thought it was one of the best trance tunes.
So I bought AVB Shivers and I was expecting the same quality of music and it just wasn't the same calibut as Communication.
Now I see the new DVD is $30!!! Am i going to spend my money on it? probably not!!! |
Heh, you said calibut. |
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| Cloud |
| quote: | Originally posted by timmyboy2
I thought it was one of the best trance tunes.
So I bought AVB Shivers and I was expecting the same quality of music and it just wasn't the same calibut as Communication.
Now I see the new DVD is $30!!! Am i going to spend my money on it? probably not!!! |
Next time...don't buy anything without listening to a sample first. ;) |
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| dartrance |
One thing i dont get with both armin and tiesto is they NEVER play there old . No I do not mean communication part 4
I just dont understand it. Ferry for example plays 80% of his productions new and old in his sets. Oakenfold always drops 3-4 classics in his live sets as well.
And its usually 10x more fun with the older tracks mixed in with new stuff. Especially considering most of the new stuff is garbage |
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| isoterra |
| quote: | Originally posted by dartrance
One thing i dont get with both armin and tiesto is they NEVER play there old |
:conf: tiesto plays suburban train & flight 643 loads |
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