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| Groundhog Boy |
| quote: | Originally posted by paulandrews
Rīnīb is a cheese of hip-hop |
RnB came decades before hip-hop, so no. :rolleyes:
BTW, this is the 2nd incredibly uninformed post I've read of yours in less than 5 minutes. Think before you type. |
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| Ian |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Well Ishkur names BK, Nick Sentience, Fergie, OD404, Cortina etc. as NRG. Now these are hallmark names of the self-declared UK Hard House genre mostly enforced by Nukleuz and Tidy. If you say UK Hard House to most Brits, I'm pretty sure they'll point you at the likes of BK et al. I know this isn't true Hard House, but it's definitely what UK Hard House is generally defined as. |
maybe it's a difference of nationality hindering it. Had He been in the UK like us, he may have felt those movements, and realised what you think to be the right way. I'd always name TDV & his early stuff first, then go onto how it descended, with the 'boom' of 2000 and the hoovers & horns type stuff coming out (and like trance of that time getting a bit samey in places) then of course the radios here all bummed garage so HH died out a bit from the mainstream radio |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ian
maybe it's a difference of nationality hindering it. Had He been in the UK like us, he may have felt those movements, and realised what you think to be the right way. I'd always name TDV & his early stuff first, then go onto how it descended, with the 'boom' of 2000 and the hoovers & horns type stuff coming out (and like trance of that time getting a bit samey in places) then of course the radios here all bummed garage so HH died out a bit from the mainstream radio |
Well I'd consider TDV to be "true" Hard House, or at least a form of it. The UK sub-genre currently exists in the form of what he calls NRG- if TDV's brand of HH was UK HH back in the day, it's not an accurate description any more. |
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| Ishkur |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Is this down to your whole thing about Hard House not being real Hard House |
No, it's about UK Hard House not being NRG. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ishkur
No, it's about UK Hard House not being NRG. |
Well in that case you've got a load of UK Hard House tracks in your NRG section. |
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| djdk |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Well I'd consider TDV to be "true" Hard House, or at least a form of it. The UK sub-genre currently exists in the form of what he calls NRG- if TDV's brand of HH was UK HH back in the day, it's not an accurate description any more. |
I think what happened was that the sound that Tony championed was true Hard House, and his sound was the sound of Trade whilst he was there, making trade a hard house club, when he passed away and the music played at trade became more the NRG (or whatever ishkur wants to call it) sound, it inherited the hard house name, even though it wasnt actually true hard house.
or not as the case may be, im merely making an educated guess here |
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| Ishkur |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ian
Had He been in the UK like us, he may have felt those movements |
Oh off. I felt the movement all too well, and probably know more about it than you do because every single ing rave here in 1999 and 2000 played this music all night long. Kristian, Morgan, Madam Zu, Chris C, Biomehanika, the Tidy Girls, Mohawk Records, you name it....they were all here on a weekly basis, directly transporting their blend of thumping badboy circus house music.
Tony De Vitt was Nu-NRG, not hard house (now just called NRG). Nu-NRG came from Hard Acid Trance.
UK Hard House was a softer, more palatable version of that that came out around a year later. The difference between the two?
UK Hard House characteristics:
1) Offbeat bass stabs, making it sound like goofy, circus music. OOMPAH OOMPAH OOMPAH OOMPAH. Klubbheads were lords of this technique.
2) Crowd cheering samples. Making it sound like party music.
3) Short, sped-up vocal samples on every 4th (NRG will sometimes have this but not often).
4) Typically 135-140 bpm.
NRG characteristics:
1) 96-99, used acid. Since 99 it used hoovers. UK Hard house may use hoovers too, but not as aggressively. UK Hard House NEVER used acid to any degree of worthiness.
2) Simpler, thicker drum programming. Harsh beat, with lots of attack and little decay or sustain, making it less bouncey but more driving. THOCK THOCK THOCK THOCK.
3) No crowd cheering samples. Ever.
4) Faster. Often 160 bpm or even more.
When I think of NRG I think of Captain Tinrib. When I think of UK Hard House I think of Klubbheads. Listen to both. Hear the difference. |
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| Ishkur |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Well in that case you've got a load of UK Hard House tracks in your NRG section. |
no I don't. |
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| Ishkur |
| quote: | Originally posted by djdk
I think what happened was that the sound that Tony championed was true Hard House |
Noooo....Tony pretty much single-handedly invented NRG, by taking driving, hard acid trance records and upping the tempo and percussion.
You people have the genres backwards. NRG came first. |
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| isoterra |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ishkur
UK Hard House characteristics:
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4) Typically 135-140 bpm. |
have-a-clue-o-meter just hit zero |
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| djdk |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ishkur
Noooo....Tony pretty much single-handedly invented NRG, by taking driving, hard acid trance records and upping the tempo and percussion.
You people have the genres backwards. NRG came first. |
fair enough, like i said, i was merely making an educated guess, although thinking about it, things like his remix of age of love and all you ready are quite clearly NRG tracks.
going back to your descriptions of UK HH and NRG, where would you put the majority of the records in Nukleuz's hardbeat series? I dont think they fit your description fof either. |
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| isoterra |
| i would say these were pretty representative of current UKHH |
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