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Anyone dislike E? (pg. 13)
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by Masonious
hmmm, i see what you mean by that but there are a lot of arguments against it hehe.
For example, I have never experienced rape, but I dislike rape intensely. Your comment, as applied to drugs, is pretty spot on though. |
Thanks for the support, however, I believe it does extend to all things. You may believe that you dislike rape intensely but you lack the experience to state that as a definate. Who knows, you may be one of the freaks that actually enjoys raping someone, however, you've never done it so you don't know. Ideally you will never find out for sure, however, unless you do you cannot be certain of your like or dislike for it. |
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| Masonious |
| no, i know myself well enough to know I would not enjoy rape, a heart attack, alopecia, torture, AIDS, being doused in gasoline and set ablaze and many other things |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by Masonious
no, i know myself well enough to know I would not enjoy rape, a heart attack, alopecia, torture, AIDS, being doused in gasoline and set ablaze and many other things |
I believe you confuse "know" and "think". They are not the same. That said it is highly probable that you would not like any of the things you listed BUT a high probablity does not equate to a certainty. |
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| Slylee |
i think that taking "e" is a very eye opening experience to yourself as a person. it definitely helped shape my personality today (which ing rocks by the way ;) ). it enlightens you to yourself and gives you some confidence and helps you meet people and just walk up to anyone and start chatting them up.
i did a lot of it in my late teen years and earlier 20's (like 20 and 21), but like someone said somewhere in the cor about "e"...too much of something can be bad. it's true. basically, moderation is key.
but if you have an addictive personality and/or you're depressed or have beend depressed in the past, i don't recommend taking it, or any drugs for that matter. you're gonna love it too much and depend on it for partying and being social, and the adverse effect will kick in once it's worn off...major mood swings and depression. unless of course u want to go through this...
| quote: | Originally posted by Lephaid
Well, the problem mostly arises from the oxidative stress MDMA puts on your brain (which is probably mostly caused by dopamine hopping on to serotonin re-uptake transporters and entering serotonergic terminals, then breaking down inside the neuron). The brain starts synthesizing up serotonin like it's going out of fashion, during which free radicals (oxidative molecules like hydroxyls) caused by MAOB metabolism attack the enzymes that the body uses to create more serotonin, as well as the axon terminal at the end of the neuron. The axon tends to be where the more permanent damage is located in the case of neurotoxicity. So by the time you come down on your roll, your brain has not only lost the ability to manufacture serotonin through enzymatic inactivation, but also for the serotonin to work effective because the receptors on the axon for serotonin to bind to are damaged. This is all do to free radicals.
There are ways to fight free radicals to probably reduce damage. My recommendation for a regimen is as follows:
-1 hours
Vitamin C - 1000 mg
Alpha Lipoic Acid - 500 mg
Green Tea Extract - 1 capsule
Co-Enzyme Q10 - 100mg
+1.5 hours
5HTP - 250mg (The reason the 5HTP is taken now and not beforehand is because levels of 5HTP don't actually start dropping until you're well into your roll. The reduction in 5HTP (and subsequently serotonin) is do to the inactivation of the enzyme that converts tryptophan to 5HTP naturally in your brain by free radicals, which in all hope the preload should be taking care of anyway)
+5 hours
Vitamin C - 1000 mg
Alpha Lipoic Acid - 500 mg
Green Tea Extract - 1 capsule
Co-Enzyme Q10 - 100mg
5HTP - 500mg
+12 hours
Vitamin C - 1000 mg
Alpha Lipoic Acid - 500 mg
Green Tea Extract - 1 capsule
Co-Enzyme Q10 - 100mg
5HTP - 250mg
+20 hours
Vitamin C - 1000 mg
Alpha Lipoic Acid - 500 mg
Green Tea Extract - 1 capsule
Co-Enzyme Q10 - 100mg
5HTP - 250mg
Then the same antioxidant mix daily for the next few days. This should theoretically heavily cut down on the (likely permanent if not prevented!) neurotoxicity induced by MDMA.
edit: scratch the lutein, i forgot that was progesterone which might cause mood swings and which probably is mucked up by first pass metabolism anyway. |
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yea so anyway, in my opinion, "e" just gets old after a while, but i'm glad i did it. but i sorta think maybe everyone should do it once. sorta kinda...just depends. there are exceptions. but i totally respect ppl who haven't done it and dont feel the need for it in their life and are generally happy people without it. |
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| Masonious |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
I believe you confuse "know" and "think". They are not the same. That said it is highly probable that you would not like any of the things you listed BUT a high probablity does not equate to a certainty. |
Nah, I do not confuse the two at all and chose my words carefully.
If you’re of the opinion that all experiences have the potential to be likeable, that is a mindset that I cannot disprove. I have been burned many times before, I’m able to forecast with absolute certainty that having gasoline poured over my body then being lit on fire would not be enjoyable, though I have never experienced it. From a philosophical standpoint I absolutely see the strength in your argument, from a realistic standpoint I cannot agree with it. |
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| pvdAngel |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
I don't that you lack grounds for your decision to avoid use of this drug (or any drug for that matter). As much as I am a fan of drugs I do believe that anyone who decides not to do them is probably making a wise decision. My point is that you may have all the reasons in the world to not do drugs but unless you actually do them you cannot opine as to whether or not you like them. Liking or disliking something requires that you first experience it... that's all. |
I choose to experience life, not chemical experimentation.
Nuff said. |
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| {b.s.e.} |
| quote: | Originally posted by jesteraver
if you need drugs to party man you all suck! |
if you need to impose your ignorance on people to feel superior, you suck. :wtf: |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by pvdAngel
I choose to experience life, not chemical experimentation.
Nuff said. |
hmmmm, oddly enough I always thought I was still alive when ever I was experimenting with chemicals.... are you telling me that those experiences aren't actually part of my life.... was I dead? Zombie? Vampire?.... nope, still alive. Maybe chemical experimentation could be part of my life experience..... |
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| {b.s.e.} |
| quote: | Originally posted by pvdAngel
I choose to experience life, not chemical experimentation.
Nuff said. |
Is life not a string of finite experiences and experiments? do they not share the same root word? i'm in agreeance with Mr. Hazard. to deny yourself experiences in life is to limit yourself in other bigger choices in life.
i think what your ultimately basing your decision on is other people's poor judgements concerning life and how they've governed themself whilst on the drug, or other problems occuring in relation to a life of a drug addict. not everyone is a drug addict, the same way not everyone is an alcholic. you can experiment with drugs without ruining or debasing your life. |
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| pvdAngel |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
hmmmm, oddly enough I always thought I was still alive when ever I was experimenting with chemicals.... are you telling me that those experiences aren't actually part of my life.... was I dead? Zombie? Vampire?.... nope, still alive. Maybe chemical experimentation could be part of my life experience..... |
Good for you then. I guess it's OK for some people. It's not that I disrespect people who take drugs. Some of my old friends still take some, but it's just not for me.
| quote: | Originally posted by {b.s.e.}
Is life not a string of finite experiences and experiments? do they not share the same root word? i'm in agreeance with Mr. Hazard. to deny yourself experiences in life is to limit yourself in other bigger choices in life.
i think what your ultimately basing your decision on is other people's poor judgements concerning life and how they've governed themself whilst on the drug, or other problems occuring in relation to a life of a drug addict. not everyone is a drug addict, the same way not everyone is an alcholic. you can experiment with drugs without ruining or debasing your life. |
I've took risks and experimented other things in life. It's true alot of it involves this. On the drug side of things... I'm still saying 'No'. |
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| colonelcrisp |
| I know a few people who cant do E anymore as they get really paranoid on it. but as for me, it has provided me with some of the more memorable moments in my life. i have had some amazing experiences on it, and i feel that i am now alot closer with some of my good friends because of it. all in all its a great experience. However i dont do it very frequently anymore, as when i do get into it, i tend to go big or go home, and as such, it takes alot out of me and it takes along time to recupperate.... but as long as i get to roll a couple times a year im happy as a pig in . |
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| isthatacow2 |
| quote: | Originally posted by {b.s.e.}
Is life not a string of finite experiences and experiments? do they not share the same root word? i'm in agreeance with Mr. Hazard. to deny yourself experiences in life is to limit yourself in other bigger choices in life.
i think what your ultimately basing your decision on is other people's poor judgements concerning life and how they've governed themself whilst on the drug, or other problems occuring in relation to a life of a drug addict. not everyone is a drug addict, the same way not everyone is an alcholic. you can experiment with drugs without ruining or debasing your life. |
i agree 100%. its almost like people who dont take drugs think that if they take drugs, they'll automatically become a drug addict or something because thats what they've been hearing their entire life. parents, school, television. its almost brainwashed some people to where they dont even listen to the facts about drugs. i have the utmost respect for people who dont take drugs. but i have even more respect for people who have tried drugs, then realized that they didnt like them and dont do them. |
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