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The truth about "Tiesto" productions and remixes... (pg. 6)
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| Ivand |
| Yep, and AirDrawnagger was Charlie May's artist album |
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| WebmaN |
| ^Tom Holkenborg was pretty much involved too with that album. it was totally produced in his studio. |
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| PETRAN |
| This is what i think(and probably the truth)...all tracks, except "suburban train"-the ONLY good track made by Ronald van Gelderen (LLOOOLLL) were just made by "Fast" random engineers(and not other good producers) because IS UNBELIEVABLE HOW MUCH THEY SUCKED!!!!! |
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| basvh |
| ah well, tiesto is not the only one doing this. The majority of the big name djs are working this way. |
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| Thois |
(If this is true...)
Technically this is not fraud, to me it is. It's artistical fraud. I can imagine Tijs wouldnt be too great in the studio, he seems to be not very bright, he is almost even more brainless than me (you need some brains to be a good producer, or am I wrong?). I can imagine him being creative though.
Anyhow, it is too obvious: The best DJs are the best in the studio as well, while both require completely different personal abilities... They must get some help yes.
On the other hand, I believe Armin, Ferry and PVD do their stuff completely by themselves. |
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| Derivative |
So many people are getting engineering mixed up with producing, mixing and arranging.
Photek composes, arranges, mixes and produces his own work. He gets the guys at metropolis to engineer and master his tracks for him. Most of the time he works with an engineer. That still doesnt make Photek anything less than an awesome producer.
If you are coming at it from a musical perspective it doesnt pay too many dividends to think of music production in mathematical terms but it helps to have someone with that technical knowledge on hand to supervise and add input as and when necessary.
I would advise anyone not to engineer and master their own tracks, simply because they are too familiar with their own work to make any kind of objective decisions about the subtle balance of their own mix. If you must do it yourself, its a process that necessarily takes a very long time during which you will need to take frequent breaks in between A/B comparison.
Its not like having additional engineers is anything new. Trent Reznor worked with Flood on his opus 'Downward Spiral.' PJ Harvey worked with the same guy on 'Is This Desire?'
Artistic credibility is one thing sure but just because you have an engineer helping you to decide on which dithering algorithym to use doesnt mean your work is artistically barren or any less credible.
The only issue I have about Tiesto is that from what I have seen, the man appears not to have a single ing *clue* about how to program a subtractive synthesizer. A bit of a problem as most of the sounds in his tunes sound as if they come from subtractive analogue/analogue modelled synths. I dont know. Maybe he had a sound designer do it for him.... I would consider that rudimentary knowledge but then again I have also known several brainiacs in uni that seemed thick as two short planks. Then they aced me in the end of semester exams and term papers. Some people just arent very good at expressing why they are good at something.
Then again, Tiesto might just be totally and have an army of experts pulling his strings. Somehow I doubt it though. I could understand if he had a pretty face, rippling muscles and charisma with which to invade the charts and cash in on the female majority.
But lets face it, tij aint much to look at either. I doubt hes as talentless as many have made out though... |
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| burtonlinx |
to me tiesto, pvd, sasha etc their names are like a business, or a name brand
you work under the name and thats how your stuff gets the most exposure
I think a lot of this comes from naive people who are confused about what a dj does. he spins records! it's like when girls just go to dance and they figure the dj is playing the music live right there (sorry dont mean to offend girls) but it's true
why is everyone so surprised when they realize that it wasnt tiesto thumping away on the keyboards and such making those songs.
i mean you have djs and you have producers it seems like it should be black and white but its obviously not. producer's material gets popular so they are forced to go on the road and try to learn to dj. One good example is benny bennasi. After satisfaction he basically was so high in demand he was forced to go on the road and dj and thats really when he learnt the hard way
it also happens the other way around.... djs learn that to get the most respect you need your "own material" so they try to fast-track to the point of getting a track with their name on it. this obviously requires a bit or maybe sometimes A LOT of help by professionals. it's impossible to know exactly how much. tiesto is not gonna come on here and say well it's 38.7% me doing this track and 61.3% this other guy or whatever
I think right now the most respected guys are the ones who we've always known as producers that are actually becoming decent djs because they are being asked to play gigs usually because their production work has become popular.....
and on the oakey subject on that show "the club" when he was featured he introduced his production partner some old dude with a huge beard!
p.s. sorry about my lazy caps finger! |
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| superglo |
| quote: | Originally posted by Omega_M
but the whole thing is this :
if you are an EDM artist, the least you should know is how to make songs on electronic music instruments. unless you know the instruments how can you think of cool new sounds ?
And secondly, it makes no sense to me why one would want to be a sound engineer and not have a basic talent for creating his own music.
this is an analogy i make out of this:
i am an architect, and I have this amazing building in my mind..but i can't draw !! - I suck (that's fill-in-the-name the superstar artist)
ok..i have been to the school and i;ve learned how to draw..and i'm very good at it. butwaitaminute...i don't have any ideas! my mind is blank. i must work for the architect ^^ we make a good team !! (that's ur sound engineer)
my point is this: i will not learn to be an architect if i don;t have any interest in buildings or dont get any ideas about how to construct new buildings! in that case, i'd rather work at walmart. |
umm so what about art directors / artists ? |
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| Aabech |
This guy has power, quick let's conspire! :rolleyes:
Nah, seriously, who cares if he himself produced the Tiesto tracks or not - none of them are really good, except maybe Suburban Train and Flight 643. He's an okay DJ for all that I care, why rip up in his past like this.
It's not like Leonardo da Vinci painted all his works himself - some of his most famous paintings are done by his students.. But who really cares? It's still great art. :) |
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| zenperson |
Face it... Tiesto IS the Madonna of EDM... Minimal talent meets a great eye for business... It's sad, but in the grand scheme of things, personality can take you far, if you're in the right place at the right time. We can hold him responsible all we want, but in the end, it really falls on the shoulders of the fans... As long as people pay, he'll be there to wave his magic fader to the untrained eye..
Tiesto's had some great tracks over the years, and I've alway known that they were not engineered by him, he's even said so!!
It's just the way of music these days... Talent doesn't matter so much as image... But, as with any business, eventually your business plan runs out, so he'll fall into antiquity at some point, and someone else will rise up and take his place... Such is the cycle of business :rolleyes: |
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| Abhay |
everybody loves a good conspiracy theory.
Next THread:
Tiesto orchestrated 9/11. |
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| isoterra |
| quote: | Originally posted by Abhay
everybody loves a good conspiracy theory.
Next THread:
Tiesto orchestrated 9/11. |
yeah that was a terrible planewreck!
...sorry :( |
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