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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by luisjb82
here we go... |
Well I don't get it. All I said was I disagreed. Electro had been moving back into dance music in various forms well before Rocker or its imitations. Now if he means something different to that, all he needs to say is "No, I mean..."
Instead I get a fistful of bull for my troubles. |
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| Az |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
What the hell is your problem? Have I done something wrong in this thread?
You can off if you're gonna act like that. You're quite clearly talking as there's been an electro revival well prior to 2004. |
you were basing your statements on something you read in mixmag for a start.
The electro clash scene has been around since the 80's, Miss Kittin et al have given it a bit of a reworking, but there was certainly no revival until Kinda New and Rocker came about. The scene exploded in the space of 6/8 months and was quite literally ing everywhere |
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| SYSTEM-J |
I didn't say electro-clash was born in the new millenium, but the electro trend had a revival long before Alter Ego made their track.
And I'm basing my statements, which I've since admitted I'm probably wrong about, on an interview with Alter Ego in Mixmag. Now the magazine may be , but the word of the artist is probably more reliable. Either I misread it or the track was really low-profile on first release.
Either way there's no ing need to start a fight. |
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| Ishkur |
Electro has always been around. It's never been away, it's always just bubbled right under the surface, from the mid-90s neo-electro robot funk revival (ie: genuine electro) courtousy of Jedi Knights and Global Communication on the one side, and the kitschy synth pop stuff also being erronously called electro, thanx to Ladytron, Add (N) to X and Les Rhythmes Digitales (and, to a lesser extent, Daft Punk), who were ALL doing the 80s revival stuff as far back as 96.
"electo" as a buzzword entered mainstream lexicon thanks to promoter and DJ Larry Tee from New York. His "Electroclash" tour (he coined the genre) with Miss Kittin & the Hacker in 2000 really helped solidify the movement, but what probably really broke it out into the open was Felix da Housecat's 2001 LP "Kittin and de Glitz"....which established the sleazy, glitzy, glam-enfused, trashy NY fashion chic esthetic (you can probably blame Peaches for this) that trolloped all over this music. But the important part about this scene is that it wasn't wholly an electronic music clubkid one. It came from the punk scene. That's why most of the artists are actually bands rather than solo producers, because they were formerly punk groups who picked up analog synths somewhere along the way. There was also the emerging genre of Discopunk (or dancepunk, depending on where you live), but I won't get into that.
Funny thing about this social trend: You know that hair-style all the kids are wearing these days, with the bangs pulled over the eyes? ...that's not emo hair. Emo kids at the time admittedly had short hair, because they wanted to accentuate their loserdom/geekness, and nothing says non-demoninational square like a boring, ordinary haircut. Long hair implies you're at least some form of hip (or trying to be). Emo kids want to be anything but hip....which is inadvertently a form of hipness itself. But I digress. The emo hair is not emo hair. It came from the electroclash scene, which was emulating 80s "hairspray" styles.
Of course, like any hipster movement more concerned with style, fasio and image than substance, by the time you've heard of it, it's already passe. So within 2 years the electroclash scene had died out, but the music didn't. It broke away from its punk roots and picked up more housey vibes, until it became electrohouse, something bred purely for ravers and clubbers, and without the trashy 80s esthetics that were once its bred and butter.
There's more to this story, but it's early in the morning and I don't feel like writing anymore. |
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| Zombie0915 |
I started noticing all this electro buzz around the time "emerge" was a big song. It had that little flash cartoon where kittens performed the tune, which showed up on MTV and stuff too. The guy who made that flash cartoon also made a bunch more, one of them had "John B - American Girls" in there, that song wasn't neccesarily electro but John B was playing a alot of electro at the time and he made it to NC fairly often so that is why I remember him so much. Im sure this all happened later than the things you guys were part of, but everything here happens a litle bit later, and that was really when I noticed electro was the next big thing, around 2002, not that I jumped onto it though, I'm still a trance cracker.
That being said, I would appreciate if we got back on topic. |
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| Sykonee |
(Hell, Ishkar outposted me with some of the same facts, but, eh, I'll post it anyways; it adds a few additional tidbits of clarification anyways)
The electro revival saw its first jump from the deep, deep, hey-it's-a-novelty-electro-track underground when music mags caught wind of stuff coming from Felix da Housecat, The Hacker, DJ Hell, Vitalic, Tiga and such ilk around 2001-2002. Because all their material had a common sound, the press figured it was a new movement, and began to push all the new cats making similar sounding stuff in hopes of riding a potential hip gravy train (and claim they discovered it first, of course). Soon afterwards, as the music is catching on in the clubs and dedicated clubbers, Benny Bennasi's Satisfaction, above all other tracks, managed to break out of the not-as-deep underground in late 2002-early 2003 and became a mainstream smash, officially declaring 'electro' the new sound du jour.
It was all downhill from there.[/stylebite] |
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| paranoik0 |
| Those might have all been predecessors, but i still think Alter Ego - Rocker and its remixes was a key record, and the final push towards the "electrohouse" success in clubland. Benassi's Satisfaction was huge but it was more of a mainstream thing, Rocker was the first big hit within the (allegedly) underground scene. |
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| Zombie0915 |
| quote: | Originally posted by paranoik0
Maybe something new will come out of minimal, but sure as hell it can't get much further as a buzzword. The minimal bandwagon started pretty much simultaneous with "electro", which is past its prime already.
I'd rather bet on a trance revival. Whether it'll come out of "neotrance" or from somewhere else, it's too soon to predict.
A random long shot I just thought of might be drum'n'bass, haven't heard absolutely anything drum'n'bass in ages, surely it'll come back strong someday? |
Drum n Bass is pretty much all we get in my town, everything is DnB, the DnB heads insist that at every party DnB is the ONLY style ever presented and they refuse to show up for a night that has a different genre other than DnB happening, they will boycott a party that starts with house and has a DnB headliner, it must be pure 100% DnB. Honeslty I am sick of the stuff, it is all I ever hear when I go out and it gets so tiring, all the obnoxious roaring and violent flailing rednecks on meth.
It DnB is the next big thing, is has already peaked where I'm from, and it has been reigning as the ONLY EDM game in town that people will actually attend for several years. |
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| paranoik0 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Zombie0915
Drum n Bass is pretty much all we get in my town, everything is DnB, the DnB heads insist that at every party DnB is the ONLY style ever presented and they refuse to show up for a night that has a different genre other than DnB happening, they will boycott a party that starts with house and has a DnB headliner, it must be pure 100% DnB. Honeslty I am sick of the stuff, it is all I ever hear when I go out and it gets so tiring, all the obnoxious roaring and violent flailing rednecks on meth.
It DnB is the next big thing, is has already peaked where I'm from, and it has been reigning as the ONLY EDM game in town that people will actually attend for several years. |
I'm sure that is very annoying, but over here it's nearly the exact opposite, drum'n'bass doesn't exist at all. I'm guessing the drum'n'bass scene overall is a regional thing? Dunno really. |
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| teknomonki |
Poker Flat and Steve Bug (chiefly) sent minimal soaring in popularity round Europe and the UK over the 12-18 months, but it will never go the way of trance in terms of becoming huge because it doesnt contain enough palatable substance for the masses (i.e. hooks and carrying melodies) imo.
If it did though, as a few have mentioned already, it would be unrecognisable from what we deem 'minimal'. |
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| paranoik0 |
| quote: | Originally posted by teknomonki
Poker Flat and Steve Bug (chiefly) sent minimal soaring in popularity round Europe and the UK over the 12-18 months, but it will never go the way of trance in terms of becoming huge because it doesnt contain enough palatable substance for the masses (i.e. hooks and carrying melodies) imo.
If it did though, as a few have mentioned already, it would be unrecognisable from what we deem 'minimal'. |
Well, that's what happened with trance isn't it, the end mainstream result is unrecognisable from what was deemed "trance" at the start. I guess we can all agree that pure, true minimal, whatever that might be, will never top the charts.
(i realise this post is pretty ing pointless) |
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| Floorfiller |
| well i think people have finally figured out that basslines and groovy music are a lot of fun. so hopefully things stay that way no matter what the shift in style is...always preferred that in songs...and i think most people that have been around the scene for a while have learnt it as well...nothing wrong with melody, but most melody driven tracks these days just lack so much in other departments. |
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