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EQing main trance lead (pg. 2)
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| mysticalninja |
Just put a hard compressor over the master output of your track, you'll hear lots of dynamics that weren't there before, lots of things ducking out when other things hit etc.
| quote: | | Compression might give you a feeling of more dynamics in the FULL mix if certain tracks are compressed in a certain way, but that's another point... |
Yes, thats the main use of compressors in trance music. Compressing multiple sounds together to give more dynamics between them. |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by mavve
so then the track dont get dynamic? |
Errr, if "get dynamic" means "reduce the dynamic range" to you, then I guess so? In 15 years of musicianship and 2 years of producing I've never heard anyone suggest that dynamic = flat.
| quote: | | And why would you doubt that |
Because virtually nobody ever does it. That and the fact that you specifically used the word "compressor" in the beginning and not "dynamics". Rather than asking evasive questions, why not just tell us if you were actually referring to expansion (0.x:1 ratio) as opposed to compression?
Sorry but this isn't one of those subjective arguments that can go on forever. You're entitled to your own opinion but you're not entitled to your own facts. Compression reduces the dynamic range of a track. That's the definition! |
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| mavve |
youve got some advanced english going on here, ok so if you for 30 sec dont think as a musician that has been in the buisnes for 15 years, would you call a track with compresoors flat? or dynamic , intense or whatever ?
It might be my swedish where the word dynamic means Inteness.
or are we just confusiing each other? |
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| richg101 |
dynamics simply mean the difference between the loudest and quietest parts of the track i though??? so a cmpressor must blatantly lower the dynamic range because it limits the loudest parts of the mix...
and makes the mix more flat than without the comp.
with regards to getting the lead sounding right in the mix i think there is a very strict formula imo. the lead has to be a certain vol/headroom with respect to everything else. because trance is mixed by dj's then it all has to follow a roughly similar mix stucture. i would recommend using your fave track as a reference for your mixing. |
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| mysticalninja |
| quote: | | Compression reduces the dynamic range of a track. That's the definition! |
But it can increase the dynamics between two or more instruments. Thats how I use a compressor, when I use a compressor to duck the bass reverb when the bass is playing, I consider that adding dynamics to the sound. Your new track Tripolar could benefit from some compression, make the hats not sound so flat. Comp that bass+kick, make it sound not so flat and dull and still. No not sidechaining, thats probably too much. You can get the same pumping effect with just compressor, thus adding dynamics as the bass volume fluxs more. |
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| Eldritch |
Dictionary.com definition of "dynamic":
- Of or relating to variation of intensity, as in musical sound.
- Of or pertaining to the range of volume of musical sound.
A compressor makes the sound more louder and tighter. It does not increase the variation of intensity of the sound. |
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| mysticalninja |
| quote: | | A compressor makes the sound more louder |
Actually compression makes the overall volume lower. That's why they give you the ability to boost the gain to compensate. |
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| DigiNut |
Wow, this is getting goofy.
"Compression" in production/recording is shorthand for "gain compression". What you're literally doing is keeping the minimum gain as is, but reducing the maximum gain - thus, reducing the total gain range, which is the same thing as the dynamic range. Generally, after this, a make-up gain is applied so that the maximum gain becomes the same as before, but the minimum gain is higher. Still, you've effectively reduced the dynamic range.
It's not really a difficult concept. Compression is compressing (i.e. reducing) the dynamic range.
Now okay, if you're trying to define "dynamic" as "strong, robust, in-your-face" then I suppose you could make a very weak argument that compression is making a sound "more dynamic". But understand that this is simply not the correct meaning of dynamics in music.
Dynamics are the variation between loud and soft - crescendos, diminuendos, or sudden changes. Putting in silence before the "drop" is an effective use of dynamics, as is the crescendo during the build-up. There's no such thing as "dynamics between two or more instruments" - and even if you think that having some instruments loud and other instruments soft really constitutes a "dynamic range" (which it doesn't), it's absolutely retarded to use a compressor for that instead of just adjusting the levels.
When you use a compressor to make something louder overall, you're not giving it dynamics, you're taking away its dynamics. That's all there is to it. EOD. |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by mysticalninja
Your new track Tripolar could benefit from some compression, make the hats not sound so flat. Comp that bass+kick, make it sound not so flat and dull and still. |
Which proves that you obviously have no clue what you're talking about. Compression makes hats and kicks and basses sound flatter (and incidentally, there's plenty of compression on it; you can't hear it, which is good, because compression is supposed to be a transparent effect).
Incidentally, your comment in the other thread about professionals wanting to steal your melodies was classic. Keep up the entertainment for us, please! |
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| mavve |
you are very ignorant to the facts that compresors can be used in a lot of different ways. however you calling a track with compresors flat just sounds stupid.
| quote: | | Which proves that you obviously have no clue what you're talking about. Compression makes hats and kicks and basses sound flatter (and incidentally, there's plenty of compression on it; you can't hear it, which is good, because compression is supposed to be a transparent effect). |
That shows youve only been producing for 2 years. |
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| mysticalninja |
| quote: | | Compression makes hats and kicks and basses sound flatter |
If you hard-compress them individually, yes. If you compress them together you will get much more dynamics between them. Either that or do some volume automation on those hats for gods sake man. They are SO still, and that bass is just screaming for some movement..
| quote: | | Incidentally, your comment in the other thread about professionals wanting to steal your melodies was classic. Keep up the entertainment for us, please! |
Funny to you, since you don't have any melodys or a style anyone would want. |
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