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Educate me about trance please :-) (pg. 4)
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| Aquarian |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dj Nacht
Trance is the easiest produce lol , Ill make a trance song in 15 minutes. It will sound like complete though. All the VST's come with cheesy trance presets its so easy. |
It's easy to produce crap music for any genre. |
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| SeanMP |
| quote: | Originally posted by Aquarian
Why does everybody say that? I find low tempos easier to mix. Maybe it's just me. |
I find the lower tempos much easier to mix as well. With the higher tempo means any slight difference in BMPs is going to drift apart quicker so you have to pay more attention to keeping them in line during extended mixes. Also, trance tracks tend to be pretty full bodied across the audio spectrum, lending itself to clashing with other tracks if you don't know your tracks down pat. |
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| Dj Nacht |
| quote: | Originally posted by Aquarian
It's easy to produce crap music for any genre. |
Id say its slightly easier for a newbie who has never produced before to start off with trance. First because most VST's come with presets that allready have a trance feel to them. Another reason is that most trance breakdowns have those reversed Hi Hats(Swoosh Noises) which are easy to make and are easily found free. |
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| Sean Walsh |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dj Nacht
Id say its slightly easier for a newbie who has never produced before to start off with trance. First because most VST's come with presets that allready have a trance feel to them. Another reason is that most trance breakdowns have those reversed Hi Hats(Swoosh Noises) which are easy to make and are easily found free. |
No offense but that's a pretty stupid comment =P
But from a production standpoint, it would be way easier to produce ty techno than ty trance. Just take a lot of percussions and throw them together; there you go, ty techno.
Of course, it would be easiest of all to produce ty classical music. All you need is a nice little piano or violin sample to use in your efforts to make people's ears bleed! |
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| moevalith |
| quote: | Originally posted by SeanMP
I find the lower tempos much easier to mix as well. With the higher tempo means any slight difference in BMPs is going to drift apart quicker so you have to pay more attention to keeping them in line during extended mixes. |
I can mix with ease anything between 134 to 141 bpms, but to be honest, anything lower than 120 bpm can be a bitch for me to mix, simply because my biological metronome has adjusted to faster paced dance. Thus, it depends on what you're rhythm's ear is used to.
| quote: | Originally posted by SeanMP
Also, trance tracks tend to be pretty full bodied across the audio spectrum, lending itself to clashing with other tracks if you don't know your tracks down pat. |
That statement is not true since it is not specific to a genre but to a composition's master. A good master will have several frequency bands maxed in amplitude, fully across the audible sound spectrum; each sample must be confined (eq'd) to its particular sonic space in the sound spectrum. However, not all producers are capable of producing good masters. |
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| moevalith |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dj Nacht
Id say its slightly easier for a newbie who has never produced before to start off with trance. First because most VST's come with presets that allready have a trance feel to them. Another reason is that most trance breakdowns have those reversed Hi Hats(Swoosh Noises) which are easy to make and are easily found free. |
VST's that come with a "trance feel" is almost certainly one that has the sawtooth wavelength, but there are another three which are very popular; sine, square, triangle
That swoosh effect is as easy as loading my sample up in wavelab and hitting control+r
Trance music is not easy to produce, simply because you need to know how to tell a story ( you need musical background ). House music, on the other hand, is the easiest, for that it's nothing but a sequenced set of samples programmed across time, it's all rhythm almost no music.
House is more inclined to rhythm programming, and trance is more inclined to musical note and whatnot. |
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| Kamaka |
im not a dj, so i like to hear what works for people and what doesn't. i try to mix sometimes so i will have a better understanding of what you guys do.
Sean, what you said makes sense exactly.
I am my own producer...for now, my contract doesn't allow me to record with anyone for the time being. I'm just focusing on composing. I prefer to not know too much about the way things are "supposed" to be done...for now. I just compose like I would for an orchestra note by note and try to make that come across on a speaker.
I'm going to start singing live in January at my Soultek nights @ l'Academy, with Uzi & B'ugo.
Eventually I will want to record with many others.
I will definitely check out every single name you guys mentioned. especially the locals. I like to support all the amazing local talent in Montreal. |
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| all-nite-freak |
why would you leave hawaii to come here...i mean come on:p
seriously not the best city for trance fans, but as a vocalist you might find much more practical use using house formulas.
vocal trance tends to be a tad lame barring a few exceptions.
i've heard that concordia frequently does faculty exchanges with julliard, so the instruction must be top notch. |
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| Dj Nacht |
| quote: | Originally posted by moevalith
House is more inclined to rhythm programming, and trance is more inclined to musical note and whatnot. |
Honestly I find putting the right notes together easier then rhythm programming. Ill take what I said back cause everyone has there different ways of producing so its not the same for everyone. |
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| mizza318 |
Its funny how the majority of ppl in MTL bash trance but when a good trance dj comes down the venue gets packed to the . If you want to experience some good trance, Toronto is the place, each month they have at least one good trance dj (mainly at the guvernment, that place just kills it with the bookings), or like people have said check out the Trance All Night shows at Aria.
Trance for life ! Some dj's I recommend are Above & Beyond, Marcuz Schulz has some good stuff, Blank & Jones ( a bit harder trance). |
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| Oneeleven |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kamaka
im not a dj, so i like to hear what works for people and what doesn't. i try to mix sometimes so i will have a better understanding of what you guys do.
Sean, what you said makes sense exactly.
I am my own producer...for now, my contract doesn't allow me to record with anyone for the time being. I'm just focusing on composing. I prefer to not know too much about the way things are "supposed" to be done...for now. I just compose like I would for an orchestra note by note and try to make that come across on a speaker.
I'm going to start singing live in January at my Soultek nights @ l'Academy, with Uzi & B'ugo.
Eventually I will want to record with many others.
I will definitely check out every single name you guys mentioned. especially the locals. I like to support all the amazing local talent in Montreal. |
Another thought that came to me; if you are looking for excellent examples of vocal trance try listening to Gabriel and Dresden. They are masters of the domaine. Their latest Essential Mix on Pete Tong's show is out of this world. I strongly suggest downloading some of their stuff. |
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| DJDan-B |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dj Nacht
Trance is the easiest produce lol , Ill make a trance song in 15 minutes. It will sound like complete though. All the VST's come with cheesy trance presets its so easy. |
Did you ever try to produce something?
Infact if you know your soft well, you can actually get nice sound out of your VST. Easy is never the way, therefore a track in 15 minutes.. in 1h15 or in 2h15 will not sound solid at all. Producing is time demanding. But it also requires some talent. Quality trance is EXTREMLY hard to produce. So if everybody starts producing tracks "fast", most of the styles will go down as trance did in "your" eyes. |
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