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House vs Trance DJ's [Track Selection]
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| DOOMBOT |
The one thing I never really understood about trance dj's is the fact that most of them, especially the bigger names, play the same songs in every set for extended periods of time. Especially their own tracks they produced, they will play for even years. I mean, usually, when I download a dj set from a trance dj I won't download another for atleast a few months after since inbetween I can pretty much expect a lot of the same songs to be played. And this really blows my mind because as a dj at home, I am constantly looking for new songs to play and I find them! These guys, the big jocks, are millionares having any song in the world at their disposal and yet they continue to play the same tracks!
House dj's, on the other hand, I have found, constantly change up the tracks. Even when they have produced their own, they usually don't whore it for months and months or even years. Now, I don't want to start a debate, which is probably asking too much, but what the real reason could be. Maybe even if a bigger name see's this thread and would like to chime in that would be appreciated.
I think I especially don't like to see PvD much these days for the reasons stated above. His older tracks aren't bad, I could do without them, but he still plays them in every set. And then of course you have him, for example, play the song twice. His music collection must be in the hundreds of thousands and yet you hear the same song every time.
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| GUBostonDubs |
| quote: | Originally posted by DOOMBOT
The one thing I never really understood about trance dj's is the fact that most of them, especially the bigger names, play the same songs in every set for extended periods of time. Especially their own tracks they produced, they will play for even years. I mean, usually, when I download a dj set from a trance dj I won't download another for atleast a few months after since inbetween I can pretty much expect a lot of the same songs to be played. And this really blows my mind because as a dj at home, I am constantly looking for new songs to play and I find them! These guys, the big jocks, are millionares having any song in the world at their disposal and yet they continue to play the same tracks!
House dj's, on the other hand, I have found, constantly change up the tracks. Even when they have produced their own, they usually don't whore it for months and months or even years. Now, I don't want to start a debate, which is probably asking too much, but what the real reason could be. Maybe even if a bigger name see's this thread and would like to chime in that would be appreciated.
I think I especially don't like to see PvD much these days for the reasons stated above. His older tracks aren't bad, I could do without them, but he still plays them in every set. And then of course you have him, for example, play the song twice. His music collection must be in the hundreds of thousands and yet you hear the same song every time.
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Some djs would rather play popular tracks vs. putting out new, varied, and better music in their sets in order to stay on the top end of dj mag polls and make lots of $$$$. It's really that simple but if the majority of their fans are stupid enough to spend 40 dollars plus on entrance to their gigs/concerts no matter how monotonous their sets are would you really blame them? FYI I used to like PVD as well maybe 3 or 4 years ago but he alienated me as a fan the same way you listed. |
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| DOOMBOT |
| quote: | Originally posted by GUBostonDubs
Some djs would rather play popular tracks vs. putting out new and better music in their sets in order to stay on the top end of dj mag polls and make lots of $$$$. It's really that simple but if the majority of their fans are stupid enough to spend 40 dollars plus on entrance to their gigs/concerts no matter how monotonous their sets are would you really blame them? |
I guess that kinda makes sense but then how do you explain house dj's being less to blame for this? Digweed, a top jock, to this day has sets with lots of ID's. Last year his Essential Mix was massive, and honestly if it were a trance dj you could have expected those tracks to be played for a few more months after, where he pretty much had his style changed quickly after.
I do see what you are saying though and it is kinda stupid, but I believe it. Seeing the fans go nuts to the same song over and over again yet nothing is really fresh except for the few new songs inbetween the "known" ones. Odd how those tracks would actually be considered the fillers where the ones that are contantly played are not. |
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| GUBostonDubs |
| quote: | Originally posted by DOOMBOT
I guess that kinda makes sense but then how do you explain house dj's being less to blame for this? Digweed, a top jock, to this day has sets with lots of ID's. Last year his Essential Mix was massive, and honestly if it were a trance dj you could have expected those tracks to be played for a few more months after, where he pretty much had his style changed quickly after.
I do see what you are saying though and it is kinda stupid, but I believe it. Seeing the fans go nuts to the same song over and over again yet nothing is really fresh except for the few new songs inbetween the "known" ones. Odd how those tracks would actually be considered the fillers where the ones that are contantly played are not. |
Well Digweed's fanbase (in my opinion) is strong because of the premise on a clubnight that he's spinning you will hear new music that is generally interesting/new/cool. He varies his sets up a great deal. This past June when I saw him the music he played was more minimal tech/tech house influenced as opposed to sept 05 where his music was more electro influenced. He basicly evolves and tries to push new music forward. Of course there are people who hope he plays Heaven Scent every set he plays but that's not gonna happen. He's not like Ferry who plays Punk and similar not-ground breaking trance music in just about every set I've heard from him....live and recorded. Every time I've seen Digweed it's been a different kind of set. He's not a pop dj. That's what separates the two. It doesn't make either one right or wrong. Just in my view, I'd rather hear new and cool music vs the same thing over and over again. That's not to say Digweed doesn't have a few go to tracks for a couple of months. He's been spinning Tigerskin - Neontrance and sometimes Paolo Mojo - 1983 (Eric Prydz Mix) for months now but his sets are far less predictable and boring than any of the big name trance djs such as PVD, Ferry, Tiesto, etc. PVD has fans in my opinion more because they wanna hear trancey tunes that are big room music and dont really care about new music...Again, this doesnt make it wrong,just I dont agree with it.
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| Spirit5 |
It could come to the availability of tunes. Some people really like IDs and searching around for them or seeing if they are going to be released, some are never released. On the other hand, with the stuff the bigger trance DJs play, most of the stuff gets released and is easier to ID. So for those who want to hear a track and identify it, they prefer those DJs who play tracks by bigger name artists. They know going into a club event with them, that they will hear tracks they know and recognize.
In a sense, they are more like showmen/entertainers, kind of like when you go to a rock concert and expect the band or singer to sing songs that the artist knows and loves. Others could care less, and go to events to hear tracks they might not know and discover later on and say "oooh I remember this one". First time I saw Armin, I didn't recognize most of the tracks he played as I didn't listen to ASOT, but after that I heard the tracks when they came on vinyl and it was really cool listening to the tracks in my room, bringing back the memories of the night I saw Armin.
But it was cool seeing Hernan Cattaneo playing 4 years ago, and hearing tracks I had never heard before but really enjoyed everyone of them. Just the whole vibe was neat, it didn't manner if it was a track that I went crazy about. So really, both ways are cool, I don't favor one set of DJs to the other. But I do agree, it does get tiring when they play the same stuff over and over, but it's also cool when Armin would play new tracks on ASOT too. I haven't listened to the show in over a year though.. |
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| JakeC |
I see on a lot of Forums that DJs look at other DJs tracklists to see what the big tunes are. So instead of finding tunes they like these DJs pick other DJs favourites. :conf:
So its a spiral of impending doom. soon two Djs will play exactly the same set on the same night. |
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| GUBostonDubs |
| quote: | Originally posted by JakeC
I see on a lot of Forums that DJs look at other DJs tracklists to see what the big tunes are. So instead of finding tunes they like these DJs pick other DJs favourites. :conf:
So its a spiral of impending doom. soon two Djs will play exactly the same set on the same night. |
That is just retarded...That should never happen. IMO a dj should play a set based on the venue they are playing and mood/flow they are trying to achieve. any ing idiot can play a pop set. |
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| Sykonee |
It really does boil down to pandering to the audience with many (epic) trance DJs. But this also lies the in the fact a great many (epic) trance songs are about instantly likeable, catchy melodies, the kind of material folks want to hear again and again when they go see a top jock play out. Trance DJs that play tracks that are meant to go together as a whole in a set rather than as seperate moments bridged by perfunctory beatmatching tend to have sets that are far more varied.
And really, house music isn't immune to this either. Some house DJs will hammer out big vocal numbers for years if it becomes a massive hit, including self-produced cuts. |
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| GUBostonDubs |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sykonee
It really does boil down to pandering to the audience with many (epic) trance DJs. But this also lies the in the fact a great many (epic) trance songs are about instantly likeable, catchy melodies, the kind of material folks want to hear again and again when they go see a top jock play out. Trance DJs that play tracks that are meant to go together as a whole in a set rather than as seperate moments bridged by perfunctory beatmatching tend to have sets that are far more varied.
And really, house music isn't immune to this either. Some house DJs will hammer out big vocal numbers for years if it becomes a massive hit, including self-produced cuts. |
IMO Trance is a gateway drug to edm because often times it's the first form of edm that people are exposed to before they move on to BETTER music as they get older and are exposed to more club nights. I'm passed the epic/melodramatic trance music. It's just very played out to me and not very stimulating. This is why alot of people on tranceaddict don't aren't into trance like they were when they first started to listen to edm. people evolve in their taste of music and some djs do too..trance djs really dont imo |
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| Ian |
| quote: | Originally posted by GUBostonDubs
IMO Trance is a gateway drug to edm because often times it's the first form of edm that people are exposed to before they move on to BETTER music as they get older and are exposed to more club nights. I'm passed the epic/meladramatic trance music. It's just very played out to me and not very stimulating. This is why alot of people on tranceaddict don't aren't into trance like they were when they first started to listen to edm. people evolve in their taste of music and some djs do too..trance djs really dont imo |
I think that's a bit of a retarded & ignorant comment. No music is better than the rest, and the myth that everyone moves on from trance is also untrue. Yeah, maybe a lot of people do, but there's a lot of those who're sheep, it was tiesto, then armin, then zabiela or sasha, now it's probably some sort of minimal or electro dj and suddenly they're "better" in their opinion. I've been into trance for over 10 years now, and while I'm disillusioned with SOME of it, I still find enough stimulation from trance, just from different artists. Instead of having such a huge case of a superiority complex, you've just proven yourself to be the author of some of the worst writing (both in english & ignorance) that i've seen this week. Trance isn't just epic or melodramatic, but it still works that way when done well. Whereas some of us find house music to be monotone drivel suited to people who sit down stroking their chins & touching themselves because they think they're better. Meh |
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| GUBostonDubs |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ian
I think that's a bit of a retarded & ignorant comment. No music is better than the rest, and the myth that everyone moves on from trance is also untrue. Yeah, maybe a lot of people do, but there's a lot of those who're sheep, it was tiesto, then armin, then zabiela or sasha, now it's probably some sort of minimal or electro dj and suddenly they're "better" in their opinion. I've been into trance for over 10 years now, and while I'm disillusioned with SOME of it, I still find enough stimulation from trance, just from different artists. Instead of having such a huge case of a superiority complex, you've just proven yourself to be the author of some of the worst writing (both in english & ignorance) that i've seen this week. Trance isn't just epic or melodramatic, but it still works that way when done well. Whereas some of us find house music to be monotone drivel suited to people who sit down stroking their chins & touching themselves because they think they're better. Meh |
It's just my opinion (shared by alot of other people). Go yourself if you don't like it:) |
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| Insomnia`SF |
| paul oakenfold digs up and spins a lot of unusual and varied tracks, how can you elitists find a way to hate on that? |
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