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New anti-spanking ads sponsored by the Toronto Board of Health (pg. 2)
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| EvilTree |
| quote: | Originally posted by van haaster
Wait a minute here.
There is a fine line between an occasional swat to a kid that's pushed his parents to the brink ….. and full-on child abuse. It's hard for parents to always know where that line is.
I think the ads are intended to be a reminder to parents to keep any corporal punishment "in check". |
I dunno. From the way Jay described the commercial, it sounded like no spanking sort of message. Then again, I'd have to see/hear the commercial for myself before I make any definite judgement.| quote: |
I believe that too much physical punishment can be pretty damaging to a kid. (And, guess what THAT kid's going to do to his kids when he grows up? yep.) |
No .
If you don't know when you're doing permanent damage to your kids, you shouldn't be a parent in the first place. |
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| van haaster |
| quote: | Originally posted by EvilTree
I dunno. From the way Jay described the commercial, it sounded like no spanking sort of message. Then again, I'd have to see/hear the commercial for myself before I make any definite judgement. |
I agree that the message in the ad seems to be "no spanking or hitting of any kind". Ads can’t be 100% effective though. It could be that the intention was create awareness of the issue and reduce physical abuse and at least make parents THINK about what they are doing when they raise their hands to their kids. Of course, kids are still going to get hit. However, if it reduces some of the abuses going on out there, then the ad campaign is at least partially effective. |
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| EvilTree |
| quote: | Originally posted by van haaster
I agree that the message in the ad seems to be "no spanking or hitting of any kind". Ads can’t be 100% effective though. It could be that the intention was create awareness of the issue and reduce physical abuse and at least make parents THINK about what they are doing when they raise their hands to their kids. Of course, kids are still going to get hit. However, if it reduces some of the abuses going on out there, then the ad campaign is at least partially effective. |
I hate misleading advertising of any kind. |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by MarkT
your assumptions, exaggerations and bias in this post are laughable.
so from that quote, YOU have interpreted it that parents who spank their kids are implied to be "criminals", "social pariahs" and "child abusers".
um...or maybe they may be suggesting that it's easy to hit a kid...not so easy to communicate, teach and PARENT a kid. Parents are becoming increasingly detached from their kids lives and perhaps teaching them a silly "might makes right" lesson by physically punishing or intimidating them into listening to you isn't the best option.
The extensions you make are ridiculous. |
Of course my statement was biased. Im very against this way of thinking. That was the point of my post.
They arent talking about abuse. They make no mention of the word at all actually. They are anti spanking.
Fine if a private (non governmental) body wants to express this opinion. But its a very sad day when they government itself is pushing this on people.
By your post i can tell that you are very much in support of this message. Which is why your post is very biased. So be it.
The point of the thread was not so much to debate pro spanking/ anti spanking. It is because i object to the GOVERNMENT pushing its values onto the general population at taxpayers expense (or by stupid laws in other cases)
Im sick of CANADIAN ADULTS constantly being treated like CHILDREN. Its time for the government to back off and govern instead of trying to be everyone's parental guardian. |
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| van haaster |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
The point of the thread was not so much to debate pro spanking/ anti spanking. It is because i object to the GOVERNMENT pushing its values onto the general population at taxpayers expense (or by stupid laws in other cases)
Im sick of CANADIAN ADULTS constantly being treated like CHILDREN. Its time for the government to back off and govern instead of trying to be everyone's parental guardian. |
Actually, I can't think of many examples of where the government pushes social values on people through media advertising.
I think in cases where they DO spend money on a campaign like this, there's a reason. I suspect that there is a lot of physical abuse of kids going on, and its damaging. Reducing it would be beneficial, would it not? |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by van haaster
Actually, I can't think of many examples of where the government pushes social values on people through media advertising.
I think in cases where they DO spend money on a campaign like this, there's a reason. I suspect that there is a lot of physical abuse of kids going on, and its damaging. Reducing it would be beneficial, would it not? |
spanking is not physical abuse. If the ad said "report child abuse" id be fine with it. |
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| 7-4-7 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Floorwhore
when kids get beat by an object, i think that's where the line should be drawn. totally uncalled for.... although, i was threatened regularly with the 'wooden spoon' for years, by the time my mom got the nerve to use it on me I was 16, bigger than her, and the spoon had evaporated into a thin twig with a round end and snapped at the point of contact.
a simple spanking is all you need, to inject a certain level of fear that will stay in the kids head the next time they decide to go against their parents wishes or be out of line. scars and bruises should never be part of a childs learning process. |
spoon, fist, backhand, smack, tap, yell....choose one, for me I hated all of them when I was kid....but I can only imagine that if I was a smartass kid of 10+ years old and I knew that my parent couldnt "parent" me which included "disiplining" me I would abuse that. I dont think that for one second that a parent should whip out a massive spoon and start walloping a kid because they were bad, but I trusted my parents judgement, and if I could go back to those times where I was being a little , I would secretly have them whack me all over again. For me it is about the powers that a parent should have over their children. As part of that power, the ability to smack their child is one such power of many.
This bull propaganda put out by the government should be left to special interest groups who raise their own funds to illicit their point of view.
I appreciate that some people will become parents and they wont hit their children, and others will. I am part of the "wills", because I was raised in a way that I agree with, and when the time came to decide what options for discipline they could use, one such option in very specific settings included a ________ing.
They should take this crap out of bullshelters, and all other public places...when I see them they make me feel awkward (cant explain it) only to say that it makes me feel like because I was hit that it was wrong, when I know as clear as day it was the right thing to do. |
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| Jayx1 |
when im a parent and a kid does something wrong i will do what my parents did... a whack on the bum. And i feel sorry for anyone who dares stick their nose into it with a lecture about spanking.
Id probably spank them too! |
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| MarkT |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
Of course my statement was biased. Im very against this way of thinking. That was the point of my post.
They arent talking about abuse. They make no mention of the word at all actually. They are anti spanking.
Fine if a private (non governmental) body wants to express this opinion. But its a very sad day when they government itself is pushing this on people.
By your post i can tell that you are very much in support of this message. Which is why your post is very biased. So be it.
The point of the thread was not so much to debate pro spanking/ anti spanking. It is because i object to the GOVERNMENT pushing its values onto the general population at taxpayers expense (or by stupid laws in other cases)
Im sick of CANADIAN ADULTS constantly being treated like CHILDREN. Its time for the government to back off and govern instead of trying to be everyone's parental guardian. |
I didn't indicate support or otherwise for the ad...I simply suggested a possible altnerate motivation/intention behind the ad vs. the angle you are using, especially the implications you mention.
I don't necessarily have an issue with your underlying point (e.g. gov't spending $$$ on advertising to parents), it's the argument you put forth to support your position that I find debatable. I don't think it's reasonable to conclude from that ad that the gov't is necessarily casting such a strong moral judgement on parents who spank, as you suggested.
I personally don't think spanking ought to be illegal. Outside of overt physical abuse, parents should be permitted to discipline their kids.
Having said that, I also feel that far too many parents use spanking as a cop out vs. addressing the causes of their kids' behaviour through communication, being involved in their lives, etc. i.e. too many parents are lazy or have very poor parenting skills and resort to a "might makes right" attitude.
Regardless, this shouldn't fall under gov't legislative domain and the gov't probably shouldn't be spending money to educate parents in this manner. |
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| nusty |
| I guess this means I have to put my taser back on the 'light zap' setting instead of 'teach em good' from now on. :rolleyes: |
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| Jem_hadar |
| quote: | Originally posted by EvilTree
Once words (and reasoning) fail, how else you're going to get a child to listen? |
Exactly.
| quote: | Originally posted by Swamper
You put them in a room and play Happy Hardcore Jungle. |
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| Jem_hadar |
| quote: | Originally posted by Floorwhore
i'm totally spanking my kids if they deserve it. lol. |
I have already bought my "parenting cane" for when I have kids. |
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