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Noob in music making (like, TOTAL noob) (pg. 2)
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| echosystm |
| quote: | Originally posted by Mr.Mystery
That has nothing to do with production, it's a DJ tool. |
lol.
@ thread starter:
you need to sit down and READ just like the rest of us did. learn to work things out for yourself. learn how to use google. the internet can answer most of your questions. also, the fact that you just made a post asking for advice on buying something you dont even know what it does is just ridiculous.
...unless of course by 'complete noob' you actually meant you have some kind of mental disability, i think you are capable of working alot more out for yourself.
try harder. you're no different from anyone else starting out. |
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| PsyTiax |
Damnit, I feel pretty stupid right now, the fact is, I was looking for an external sound card and someone proposed me to buy this, told me it was for DJ music production, I think didn't thought enough about what he meant... :(
You're right, I'll stop asking (stoopid) questions and work on my how 'till then ;) |
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| Mr Rogers |
first off welcome to ta :)
second off, some people are just ignorant, and you need to learn to ignore these people.
Im not pointing any fingers, but u get my drift.
If you got questions, this is the best place to ask, if you get a stupid answer just ignore it.
You will find this place is full of hotheads who think feel better putting down other people.
You explain ur noobness, i dont know why people still feel the need to put people down.
anways sorry for the venting but it just pisses me off.
Reason is a great start, it is the best software because everything is integrated for you. Everything you need to finish a track will come in the box. It might sound like if ur using all of the default samples/patches, but u can still finish a track.
Reason is layed out in a way to mimic the appearence of hardware. That being said u can literally flip the hardware around and move the wires manualy to different synths/samplers. That way you can see what does what. Its a great way to learn from the bottom up, and from there u can upgrade by downloading/buying refill packs made just for reason (u'll find them all over the web). And if you end up learning reason inside/out, you can "rewire" it to an outsourced sequencing program like mentioned before such as cubase/ableton. So technically the sky is the limit. Personally if u jump right onto cubase or ableton ur skipping a few steps.
If you got any questions don't be afraid to ask. (usually).
hope that helps. |
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| RoBDaWG |
It's going to take a lot of patience, I've DJ'ing for about 7 years and just started to take a crack at producing my own tracks about a year ago. It's very frustrating at first, but eventually you'll start to get the hang of things.
I use FL Studio (formerly called Fruity Loops).
I guess it's a pretty good program. You might want to start off with something a little better, like Ableton Live though. If I could go back I think I would have done that. My problem is that I'm so used to FL Studio (don't get me wrong it's a great program!) that I don't want to bother learning a whole new program from scratch.
Whatever software you choose, just search on Google for (example) "Ableton live tutorials" or "FL Studio tutorials" - I think www.loopy.tk is a good site for FL.
Also, listen to music. Take a psy/goa track that you like and listen closely. See how it starts off, and the different elements that come in, where and how, and try to reproduce a track in the same manner.
*** What I highly recommend NOT doing, is going out and spending tons of money on expensive equipment right away. Most of that stuff will be useless to you until you know what you're doing.
Maybe you want to upgrade your soundcard and RAM on your computer, but you don't need to buy a $400 soundcard right away. I did that and ended up selling the thing on ebay because at my level I really don't need anything that good yet.
As far as your keyboard goes, you can goto a local music store and get what they call a MIDI Controller. It's a USB keyboard with no sounds in it. When you use it with (for example) FL Studio, you would load up one of the software synths and that will assign the sounds to the keys. With that you can sit there and fool around making melodies. You can even record them live as you play, then go back and edit them. You can get something decent for under $100. M-Audio makes a few nice ones that will serve you well. You could even pick up a used one on Ebay.
Good luck, welcome to TranceAddict, and stick around in the 'Production Studio' section. You'll learn a lot, there are some really great people here. |
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| G-Con |
| quote: | Originally posted by RoBDaWG
It's going to take a lot of patience, I've DJ'ing for about 7 years and just started to take a crack at producing my own tracks about a year ago. It's very frustrating at first, but eventually you'll start to get the hang of things.
I use FL Studio (formerly called Fruity Loops).
I guess it's a pretty good program. You might want to start off with something a little better, like Ableton Live though. If I could go back I think I would have done that. My problem is that I'm so used to FL Studio (don't get me wrong it's a great program!) that I don't want to bother learning a whole new program from scratch.
Whatever software you choose, just search on Google for (example) "Ableton live tutorials" or "FL Studio tutorials" - I think www.loopy.tk is a good site for FL.
Also, listen to music. Take a psy/goa track that you like and listen closely. See how it starts off, and the different elements that come in, where and how, and try to reproduce a track in the same manner.
*** What I highly recommend NOT doing, is going out and spending tons of money on expensive equipment right away. Most of that stuff will be useless to you until you know what you're doing.
Maybe you want to upgrade your soundcard and RAM on your computer, but you don't need to buy a $400 soundcard right away. I did that and ended up selling the thing on ebay because at my level I really don't need anything that good yet.
As far as your keyboard goes, you can goto a local music store and get what they call a MIDI Controller. It's a USB keyboard with no sounds in it. When you use it with (for example) FL Studio, you would load up one of the software synths and that will assign the sounds to the keys. With that you can sit there and fool around making melodies. You can even record them live as you play, then go back and edit them. You can get something decent for under $100. M-Audio makes a few nice ones that will serve you well. You could even pick up a used one on Ebay.
Good luck, welcome to TranceAddict, and stick around in the 'Production Studio' section. You'll learn a lot, there are some really great people here. |
Just wanted to second that last point. The only hardware you might want to start with is a midi controller keyboard. Like he said, no sounds built into it, but it controls the sounds on the program you are using, instead of clicking notes in with a mouse which is crap and kills creativity.
No need to buy anything expensive - cheaper ones will be more than good enough for you're needs for a good while yet. |
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| ASFSE |
| quote: | Originally posted by Mr Rogers
Personally if u jump right onto cubase or ableton ur skipping a few steps.
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i don't think that if you start off on ableton you'll be missing any steps, i think you'd be at an advantage if you started with it. just my opinion.i can't speak for cubase because i havn't used it for production... |
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| PsyTiax |
Thanks to everyone, didn't excepted so much support, you're definately great guys :)
I've installed the trial version of Real, Ableton and FL, and I'll try them all with my keyboard, maybe that will help me to make a choice...
I will surely choose Ableton thought, as the guy who's going to teach me a few basics is using it (I've also found a user of Reason, but he's more occupied, and anyway I think it's better to concentrate on one software at the moment).
I've ordered a 100$, 49 keys keyboard with an USB cable, I should get it at the end of the week, 'till then I'll keep on studying music and looking for a decent external soundcard (I will mostly work on a laptop, as I'm far from my main computer during the week)...
Do you guys have any suggestion for this external sound card ? The only one I have ATM is a USB 1.1 one, I read that the latency is just awful if I intend to use the keyboard, will I really notice it on my basic level ?
If yes, do you have a specific USB 2/Firewire soundcard in mind ? I've looked alot of them, but I really don't know what my real needs are...
Thanks alot ! |
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| echosystm |
| quote: | Originally posted by Mr Rogers
first off welcome to ta :)
second off, some people are just ignorant, and you need to learn to ignore these people.
Im not pointing any fingers, but u get my drift.
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...he came on here asking about a herculuse dj console and if he should buy it, without doing any research whatsoever into what it is or what it does. it is completely unreasonable to expect other people to put their time into helping someone when that person can't even be assed helping themselves, by going to the manufacturer's website and reading like everyone else would. i don't support this kind of crap, it's what clogs this forum full of useless bull discussion.
it's a good thing you didn't "point any fingers"... or i might have thought you support stupidity. ;)
Don't give them the book and turn the pages for them, or they'll never appreciate reading. |
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| Mr Rogers |
[QUOTE]Originally posted by echosystm
it is completely unreasonable to expect other people to put their time into helping someone when that person can't even be assed helping themselves,QUOTE]
im just saying the time spent putting this guy down could be used to help him out.
And if you feel its such a bogus question, bite ur tongue and move on. Posting a smart ass remark won't make you look any better. And if people need to be told something there are ways of doing that without making the guy look like an idiot. thats all im saying. |
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| echosystm |
| quote: | Originally posted by Mr Rogers
im just saying the time spent putting this guy down could be used to help him out.
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i WAS helping him out - i was telling him exactly what he needed to know. if you go on a forum every 5 minutes asking a stupid question without any attempt to work it out on your own, you're never going to go anywhere. what was said is for the benefit of him and the forum in general.
"pop ya titty out his mouth and let the boy grow up".
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| PsyTiax |
| echosytm, you'll be surprised to learn that before asking that (now looking so stoopid) question, I read 3 review of this hardware, I didn't picked up a random hardware product and threw it into this thread, but tried to understood if it could be of any use for me... I'm starting things here, how the hell should I know that "Music production" and "DJ music production" are totally different ? |
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| s-cube |
@ Psytiax
I wouldn't go splashing money on much just yet, your midi-controller & soundcard should do fine for just now..Once you've got better knowledge about production you can assess your needs better & get something that'll last you a long time..
P.S. I can show you how to work with Cubase SX & FL studio if you're interested.. |
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