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Noob in music making (like, TOTAL noob) (pg. 3)
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| Fledz |
Definitely try as many demos as you can. I've worked with FL before (I learnt alot on it) and it's not bad.
Reason is pretty cool but you may not like the restrictions on it. No VSTs means you really need to know it inside out to make something good. It is a good beginners (and advanced of course) package because it's self contained and everything you need is there. Just make sure you're ready to commit to it before you go and buy it.
I personally use Cubase and Ableton Live. Cubase will probably be a bit too tough for you atm. It's very advanced and isn't the most user friendly.
Ableton on the other hand is very powerful but it's known for being a sequencer that is very easy to get used to. I would recommend this if you're choosing just one.
If you're a Mac user, Logic is on there but that is much like Cubase. Very tough to start on.
Another good one is Sonar. It's similar to Cubase but not as hard. I've never used it but I've heard good things about it. |
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| djms |
my advice
use ableton - it;s probably one of the most user friendly DAW's out there.
Don;t put too much time into learning with books and tutorials.
Get you hands dirty and pull in loads of samples and try to layer up funky grooves. Mess about with loads of plug in;s on ableton to se what does what.
The rest is just practise, time, perceverance an it will come to you |
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| Xilver |
| quote: | Originally posted by PsyTiax
how the hell should I know that "Music production" and "DJ music production" are totally different ? |
Music production is music production, DJ'ing is DJ'ing. There is no such thing as "DJ music production". Please do tell me you know the difference... |
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| echosystm |
| quote: | Originally posted by Xilver
Music production is music production, DJ'ing is DJ'ing. There is no such thing as "DJ music production". Please do tell me you know the difference... |
no dude, this thread is ridiculous. :rolleyes:
i think we all know this is how its going to go down:
1. ask a million and one questions that are easily answered with a little bit of common sense and research
2. probably waste a lot of money
3. waste peoples time
4. then give up and quit
i guarantee it.
i want everyone to know, i'm not a mean person, infact i'm probably the softest guy you've ever met in your life :P
BUT, understand you're not doing anyone any favours by kissing ass and toleratining (and even promoting?) a lack of initiative like this.
i'm going to stay out of these threads, theyre too frustrating. :) |
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| PsyTiax |
You sure seems to had difficult experiences, too bad you seems to think life is only composed of those...
I know that it is possible that I'll give up, that's why I don't intend to buy for more than 150 $ atm, BUT I began playing guitar a few days ago, and what trully made me quit was the ty quality of the guitar I bought, couldn't pull any good sounds from it (and I know that it was not only because I was a begginner, my teacher told me that the guitar was a bit bend so the strings were touching more than one fret when one pinched them)...
I've started playing piano on my own two years ago without buying anything as my mother already owned one, well, I must say I enjoyed it much more learning (even without a teacher) playing piano than what I did on my crappy guitar...
That's why I'd like to have a decent material quality, without throwing too much money in this stuff... I mean, I'd rather like spend 150$ and have some good quality material that'll keep me motivated than spending 100$ in something I won't be able to do with...
Npw, if you're telling me that my USB 1.1 SB with MIDI controller and maybe Ableton Live is good enough to get me started, that's just great, you know, I don't have a job atm, so even those few dollars are a nice sum for me...
Dunno why people thinks that I have tons of money to waste...
| quote: | Originally posted by Xilver
Music production is music production, DJ'ing is DJ'ing. There is no such thing as "DJ music production". Please do tell me you know the difference... |
I've not invented this expression, found it on a website where this hardware was reviewed, mind you...
Thanks for the people who are "wasting their time" helping me though ;) |
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| djms |
| quote: | Originally posted by PsyTiax
You sure seems to had difficult experiences, too bad you seems to think life is only composed of those...
I know that it is possible that I'll give up, that's why I don't intend to buy for more than 150 $ atm, BUT I began playing guitar a few days ago, and what trully made me quit was the ty quality of the guitar I bought, couldn't pull any good sounds from it (and I know that it was not only because I was a begginner, my teacher told me that the guitar was a bit bend so the strings were touching more than one fret when one pinched them)...
I've started playing piano on my own two years ago without buying anything as my mother already owned one, well, I must say I enjoyed it much more learning (even without a teacher) playing piano than what I did on my crappy guitar...
That's why I'd like to have a decent material quality, without throwing too much money in this stuff... I mean, I'd rather like spend 150$ and have some good quality material that'll keep me motivated than spending 100$ in something I won't be able to do with...
Npw, if you're telling me that my USB 1.1 SB with MIDI controller and maybe Ableton Live is good enough to get me started, that's just great, you know, I don't have a job atm, so even those few dollars are a nice sum for me...
Dunno why people thinks that I have tons of money to waste...
I've not invented this expression, found it on a website where this hardware was reviewed, mind you...
Thanks for the people who are "wasting their time" helping me though ;) |
youll find loads of sad people on this forum just waiting for someone to slip up with their terminology or whatever - ignore them as they'll never get anywhere.
Go for Ableton 6 dude, forget about midi controllers for now. maybe get yourself a little midi keyboard instead like the m audio one.
From there in a matter of months with reading up on stuff and practising with the software you'll soon find yourself getting to a good level
Positive attitude is defo the key though, keep at it and believe in yourself you'll make good beats and no one will stop you with their pessimistic viewpoints. rise above them all dude and lets see your name on a few labels in a year to two years time ;) |
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| Magnus |
| PsyTiax welcome to the board! Cool name BTW. I also love psytrance and like yourself, set off to try to produce it a while back. I'm not sure what style you are into but you can hear one of my latest tracks, Lifeforce, in my sig. Take a listen and if that is the kind of sound you are into, I can tell you exactly how I made it, what software I used, how I made the bassline, etc. I would be more than happy to lead you in the right direction. The fact that you came on this board and humbly admitted how little you knew and were seeking guidance is the reason I'll go out of my way to help you. |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| quote: | Originally posted by PsyTiax
I know that it is possible that I'll give up, that's why I don't intend to buy for more than 150 $ atm, BUT I began playing guitar a few days ago, and what trully made me quit was the ty quality of the guitar I bought, couldn't pull any good sounds from it (and I know that it was not only because I was a begginner, my teacher told me that the guitar was a bit bend so the strings were touching more than one fret when one pinched them)...
I've started playing piano on my own two years ago without buying anything as my mother already owned one, well, I must say I enjoyed it much more learning (even without a teacher) playing piano than what I did on my crappy guitar...
That's why I'd like to have a decent material quality, without throwing too much money in this stuff... I mean, I'd rather like spend 150$ and have some good quality material that'll keep me motivated than spending 100$ in something I won't be able to do with... |
It is best to start out with quality stuff, but at the same time, make sure you're not looking for the big red button. :) |
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| PsyTiax |
| quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
It is best to start out with quality stuff, but at the same time, make sure you're not looking for the big red button. :) |
That's exactly what I'm trying to do ! Well, I'll stay with the basic MIDI controller I've just bought and Ableton for now...
I'll keep on studying those tutorials you people gave me (chords, rythms) and the books I own atm before trying to make a serious attempt...
Thanks alot Magnus, I'm dling your song ATM, looking forward hearing it, and I'll surely don't waste this chance to learn a bit from you ;)
BTW, what's this "big red button" everyone's talking about ? Like, a button that would instantaly create "teh ult1m4te s0uNd" ?
EDIT : You song just kick ass, sounds more Psytrance than Goa to me, but that's surely not something bad, as I totally love this genre to :happy2:
I would DEFINATELY love to have some explanations about the making of, by then I think I'll try to get some others songs from you (listening to the ones on your myspace.com , I think I'll listen to those alot during the next few weeks :D |
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| Derivative |
| quote: | Originally posted by PsyTiax
I know that it is possible that I'll give up, that's why I don't intend to buy for more than 150 $ atm, BUT I began playing guitar a few days ago, and what trully made me quit was the ty quality of the guitar I bought, couldn't pull any good sounds from it (and I know that it was not only because I was a begginner, my teacher told me that the guitar was a bit bend so the strings were touching more than one fret when one pinched them)...
I've started playing piano on my own two years ago without buying anything as my mother already owned one, well, I must say I enjoyed it much more learning (even without a teacher) playing piano than what I did on my crappy guitar...
That's why I'd like to have a decent material quality, without throwing too much money in this stuff... |
And thats your first mistake. You seem to think that there is some 'gear' out there that will automatically make you better.
If you quit guitar and blamed the guitar then sorry - you are a guitarist. The good guitarists are the ones that suffer through it and learn to play despite the limitations of the equipment. If you quit after only a few days - sorry, but your heart isn't in it. If it were you would have perserved.
I spent 4 years playing on a crap fake Fender strat that cost £70. What really opened my eyes was my sister's guitar tutor who picked up my guitar and played Pantera's Cemetry Gates on it. The amp was crap. But he made the instrument sound amazing - better than I have ever been able to make it sound. Even to this day.
My first peice of advice is get this crazy idea out of your head that you can get desirable instruments 'cheaply.' Its impossible so forget about it.
Secondly, you are the limiting factor, not the instrument. Theres plenty I can learn on a £70 and that £70 guitar despite my 3 years using the former and my 8 years playing the latter.
Start doing the same and you might get somewhere eventually.
Whats really funny is that you get people like James Holden making amazing tunes using free software. Whitetown made a number 1 album using a 30 dollar mic and a sequencer he got free on the coverdisk of a music magazine.
You don't need to spend lots of money to make music. You need to really want to do it and the rest just falls into place. And pardon me for assuming, but you seriously look like your heart isn't in it. So either start putting some effort in and looking to how you can improve personally and musically (not your instruments). Or don't bother at all because you will just be wasting your time. |
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| Xilver |
| ^ This man knows his stuff |
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| PsyTiax |
| quote: | Originally posted by Derivative
I spent 4 years playing on a crap fake Fender strat that cost £70. What really opened my eyes was my sister's guitar tutor who picked up my guitar and played Pantera's Cemetry Gates on it. The amp was crap. But he made the instrument sound amazing - better than I have ever been able to make it sound. Even to this day. |
You surely like to blame people, don't you ? I told you that even my TEACHER couldn't pull any acceptable sound from my guitar, not only because it was a low budget one, but because it was BENT, how was I supposed to do anything with such a thing ?
| quote: | Originally posted by Derivative
And pardon me for assuming, but you seriously look like your heart isn't in it. So either start putting some effort in and looking to how you can improve personally and musically (not your instruments). Or don't bother at all because you will just be wasting your time. |
Don't you get holier-than-thou on me, son...
If I am destined to miserably fail and waste tons of money, then so be it, maybe I'll be smarter next time... 'Till then, I SURELY don't need you telling me that I can get famous by slapping on my laps, because I truly don't give a ... If someone managed to become famous this way, good for him, [ I ] DON'T intend to go pro, I'd like to product my music for MY pleasure, to share it with friends, and I'm still utterly convinced that, as a begginer, I'm not forced to buy the worst, tiest piece of hardware that's on the market, even if you're trying to make this look like a in' tradition... There's a difference between buying and buying a good BEGGINER MIDI controller... |
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