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the war on the hijab shows the hypocrisy of the western world
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| Spacey Orange |
think about it: the western world wants to stifle, what it views as an oppressive cultural/religous practice, by oppressing it's practice.
does it make any logical sense for the governments to suppress this practice at the same time they espouse democracy, tolerance, openness, and freedom? |
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| CranberryJuice |
| quote: | Originally posted by Spacey Orange
think about it: the western world wants to stifle, what it views as an oppressive cultural/religous practice, by oppressing it's practice.
does it make any logical sense for the governments to suppress this practice at the same time they espouse democracy, tolerance, openness, and freedom? |
it's the clash of cultures and different systems of ideas values.....once again are we allowed to impose our model and ideas to the others countries?
generally speaking
i would just allow myself to say when u see things committed which are putting at stake the universal human rights ....yes i think we all can condemn this practice but then it's something sensitive to want to rule and change a system of a country (i mean once again practices and values) |
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| Arbiter |
| quote: | Originally posted by Spacey Orange
think about it: the western world wants to stifle, what it views as an oppressive cultural/religous practice, by oppressing it's practice.
does it make any logical sense for the governments to suppress this practice at the same time they espouse democracy, tolerance, openness, and freedom? |
Sure it does. It works like a double negative: when you're oppressing oppression, you're supporting freedom. |
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| shaolin_Z |
| quote: | Originally posted by Arbiter
Sure it does. It works like a double negative: when you're oppressing oppression, you're supporting freedom. |
That's based on the faulty assumption that it's "opressive" to begin with. My sister for example wears one, even though my brother in law prefers that she didn't and neigther one of my parents asked or encouraged her to start wearing one. Doing something out of your free will is being opressed? Ok. Just because none (well, atleast most) of you don't understand why they choose to wear it doesn't validate your accusation of "opression." |
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| Arbiter |
| quote: | Originally posted by shaolin_Z
That's based on the faulty assumption that it's "opressive" to begin with. My sister for example wears one, even though my brother in law prefers that she didn't and neigther one of my parents asked or encouraged her to start wearing one. Doing something out of your free will is being opressed? Ok. Just because none (well, atleast most) of you don't understand why they choose to wear it doesn't validate your accusation of "opression." |
I'm only pointing out that the act of oppressing the hijab is consistent with a belief in freedom and a belief that the hijab is an oppressive practice. I don't claim that the premise (that the hijab is oppressive) is necessarily true. |
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| shaolin_Z |
| quote: | Originally posted by Arbiter
I'm only pointing out that the act of oppressing the hijab is consistent with a belief in freedom and a belief that the hijab is an oppressive practice. I don't claim that the premise (that the hijab is oppressive) is necessarily true. |
Fair enough. :) |
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| Dervish |
I just can't wait till they ban biker helmets with visors.....
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(they actually do in banks) |
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| shaolin_Z |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dervish
I just can't wait till they ban biker helmets with visors.....
:p
(they actually do in banks) |
What do you have against biker helmets with visors? :p |
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| Moongoose |
People can made rude faces at you without you knowing about it and so you cannot punish them for it. I used to do it all the time :D
And as far as the hijab ban goes i support it. The western culture relies heavily on communication and we rely on more than words to get our message across. Eye movements, facial expressions, body motions are all things we use to express ourselves and we rely on this things to pick up on others true intent. If i cant use these to read another person i feel like that person is hiding something from me, if i have a feeling that the person is hiding something from me i don't trust that person and if i don't trust that person i cant and/or refuse to work with, be friends with or have any kind of relationship with that person. This is the culture we live in and if they want to be a part of it they have to adapt to it and if that means leaving the hijab at home when they go out so be it. Everyone has to adapt when staying in a foreign country with a different set of social norms. My mom is not a muslim yet when she and dad travel in certain places she is asked to wear a hijab, not for her but for other people. Well if she can adapt when she needs to why cant others. She realizes that in some places wearing a hijab is a social norm but that should work both ways. People should realize that over here the norm is to see another persons face unobstructed.
That of course goes for those that cover the entire face. Those that don't, i cant stand for an entirely different reason, namely that it looks incredibly stupid and that it can make even the hottest girl look like an 90 year old woman. |
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| Dervish |
| quote: | Originally posted by shaolin_Z
What do you have against biker helmets with visors? :p |
Because I feel that the wearing of the helmet is against your human rights to be allowed to not wear a helmet and it is mearly being forced upon you as a controling method. :p It promotes segregation between bikers and non bikers :D And it's scary when you can't see peoples faces! :stongue:
(actually I do think the hijab is a barrier to integration, all it is it a huge statment saying "I am different" it isn't atall a religous thing aparently it isn't even mentioned in the Koran, thats not to say that some people have been misguided into beliving it is though) |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| i think its a knee-jerk reaction for something that isn't all that important to begin with. i agree with shaolin, it should be a right to wear it if you choose. just like its a right to practice your faith. now, im not a supporter of strict law that require hijab or burka wear, but if theres a choice to not wear it, then people should have the right to choose. |
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| Moongoose |
But if they chose to wear it they should accept that it comes with its share of problems. As i said i don't trust a person with a covered face and as such, as an employer i would newer hire such a person and as a customer i would never accept to be serviced by such a person. I don't really care if a person choses to wear one or not but if one does that person does not get to yell discrimination because it is by their own choice that they are discriminated against. Wear one and feel sorry for yourself because people don't trust or respect you or don't wear one, still keep your faith but watch the attitude suddenly change.
Also one other thing i think that need to be pointed out. I believe that the hijab is there because men cannot be trusted around women, that if a man saw a womans bare face and/or skin he could loose control of himself and jump the woman (if i am mistaken about this please correct me, i cant be bothered to check it out right now but i think i read once that that was the justification for he hijab). If the man is the one that looses control isn't it all the mans fault really and as such wouldn't it be more fair if women were allowed to walk out in the streets without this disastrous fashion accessory but rather the men should be blindfolded when they leave the house. |
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