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the recent TOTA "DJ" Self-Promo / Lingo/ Attitude problem
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| jon jon |
Ok I’m sorry everyone, and if I’m the only one who feels this way I’ll quickly shut up. But quite frankly I’ve had enough of this whole “DJ” lingo/ attitude, and machismo that has recently swept the board and I want to see if I’m alone.
I mean fine, I’m guilty of posting a set every once a while (usually one a year) or trying to help promote a local event by bumping it, but recently it’s slightly gotten out of hand… The constant DJ jargon of helping to sponsor one’s “gig” or advice on which “bomb” or “gem” to drop next has gone far past exasperating. The continuous roll call hi-jacking, the non-stop “review back scratching” in order to get a future “performance”, the free guestlist passes, the live-set recordings, the location endorsement, the promotional shots, the bumping of a thread with a post bereft of any meaning, the ass kissing, the flyer artwork, the unremitting “stellar” weekly club events held in non-club locations, will the pestering ever stop?
I want to stress that I’m here to support our talent (there is a plenty), however I think this has gone overboard and I think it makes us look cheap. I know this board hasn’t been about trance music for quite some time now, but when did it become a stage for shameless self promotion.
jonathan
EDIT: RJ says it better than me
| quote: | Originally posted by rabbitjoker
My interpretation of Jon's concern:
- Jon is not saying roll call threads and event threads are unreasonable promotion. Jon supports proper use of roll calls and event threads.
- Jon is saying that sometimes people are using TOTA to self-promote (either themselves or their events) more than what should be considered reasonable.
- The "unreasonable" self-promotion is often routine, repeated and casual reference to one's musical/event endeavors in entirely unrelated threads.
- We have all seen some (intentional and/or unintentional) self-promotion in threads that really shouldn't have it. After a while this type of activity is bound to cause annoyance. This annoyance is what Jon is bringing to the forefront with this thread.
My $0.02:
- Promoters/talent should NOT start roll call threads for events. Promoters and talent should stick to the event threads. If TOTAs are interested in enough to start a roll call thread (un-encouraged by promoters/talent) then great - the event has support and it deserves a roll call.
- Promoters/talent and TOTAs should NOT bump roll call threads (per Margaret's post). TOTA attendees should post in it once, move along - keep event discussion in the event thread. Bumping roll calls creates a false sense of support.
- Promoters/talent need to be overly-conscious of their posts in non-music related threads. When a discussion about a non-music topic has event/promoter/talent "hints", "name drops" or "references" about inserted into it - it really sets the bar low (desperation?) and isn't respectful to TOTA as a whole (nor does it project a positive impression on the event/promoter/talent).
- TOTA has a vast amount of talent and it is worthwhile to support talent and events that deliver a QUALITY experience. Promoters and talent have the responsibility to make sure that they ALWAYS deliver a high-quality product as the the alternative alienates the key base of support TOTA offers. Sometimes it appears that TOTA supports for the sake of supporting without emphasis on quality. Without focusing on quality - the end product is bound to deteriorate - which nobody on TOTA wants to see. |
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| Endlesswave |
| I'm with you man. However, I haven't had the chance to see much of it myself mainly because I choose to stay out of those threads and not take part. So it's not a huge bother to me. I say promote but do it with taste and tact and just with an air of thinking that says "This is what I'm doing, check it out" and if that's not what's happening and it's just completely out of control with shameless self promotion then :nervous: . |
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| jon jon |
agreed, thanks andrea. |
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| Endlesswave |
| I love those forums, especially the dj booth, haven't checked that out in AGES. |
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| hardcore trancer |
| quote: | Originally posted by jon jon
I know this board hasn’t been about trance music for quite some time now |
Sadly this is true,there is barely anything about trance music being talked about on this board(TOTA mostly I mean).
long live the oldschool TOTA.:( |
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| Orko |
| I can see some of what you are talking about, but what do you mean by dj "lingo/attitude"? In reference to your subject. |
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| El Kay Dee |
| quote: | Originally posted by hardcore trancer
long live the oldschool TOTA.:( |
i WISH it were still alive |
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| Skipper |
| I must be blind because I haven't noticed anything. :conf: |
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| Floorwhore |
| quote: | Originally posted by jon jon
Ok I’m sorry everyone, and if I’m the only one who feels this way I’ll quickly shut up. But quite frankly I’ve had enough of this whole “DJ” lingo/ attitude, and machismo that has recently swept the board and I want to see if I’m alone.
I mean fine, I’m guilty of posting a set every once a while (usually one a year) or trying to help promote a local event by bumping it, but recently it’s slightly gotten out of hand… The constant DJ jargon of helping to sponsor one’s “gig” or advice on which “bomb” or “gem” to drop next has gone far past exasperating. The continuous roll call hi-jacking, the non-stop “review back scratching” in order to get a future “performance”, the free guestlist passes, the live-set recordings, the location endorsement, the promotional shots, the bumping of a thread with a post bereft of any meaning, the ass kissing, the flyer artwork, the unremitting “stellar” weekly club events held in non-club locations, will the pestering ever stop?
I want to stress that I’m here to support our talent (there is a plenty), however I think this has gone overboard and I think it makes us look cheap. I know this board hasn’t been about trance music for quite some time now, but when did it become a stage for shameless self promotion.
jonathan
ps. I've only edited the title as it's apparently misleading |
Some of the best parties I have been to in the past year have been local/TA driven, and most who have attended likely would not have known about these events if it weren't for TA. I don't see how it is any different to have an event thread/roll call/party review for these local events, promoting our very own - than it is to do it for any of the 'big' parties out there. If anything, i'm glad that locals are doing their best to reach out to people to gain the much needed support.
Let's face it, TA has changed. People who are expecting it to be what it once was are only kidding themselves. The 'scene' itself has been transformed over the years, so it's only natural that the message boards representing it will do the same.
Bottomline, it's like anything around here. If you don't like cars, don't click on the car threads.... if you don't like 'shameless promotion', then ignore it. Appeasing the entire community is absoutely impossible, and I think there is enough random variety on this message board to keep at least most of us, somewhat happy. |
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| Skipper |
| I think as long as those involved with the TA events follow the same rules and guidelines as other promoters, there should be no issue. |
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| English Rachel |
| quote: | Originally posted by Floorwhore
Some of the best parties I have been to in the past year have been local/TA driven, and most who have attended likely would not have known about these events if it weren't for TA. |
Wholeheartedly agreed. |
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