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How much do DJ turned producers actually produce (pg. 2)
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| jupiterone |
| Ya you won't ever get anywhere with an attitude like that. Ya you won't make millions off selling your songs on Beatport, but saying you can't make money from electronic music is the biggest I've ever heard, there are other ways to work and distribute and promote electronic music aside form digital music stores. |
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| zodiac9 |
I've been into Trance and modern EDM for 3 years now or so. I quickly realized that quite a few of these so called DJs/producers were getting a lot of help with their productions. Tiesto for one, comes up with melodies and song ideas, but gets a classically trained musician to help him "refine" them. If a DJ was a producer before they started DJing, then they probably did most of the composing and producing themselves, although I'm sure plenty of them get help during mixdown and mastering, ect.
As I understand it, quite a few producers started DJing after they were asked to by clubs. So that's how their DJing career started. Also, some DJs were asked by record companies to produce, because they know that certain sound people in the clubs like. In that case, they are acting more as a musical director/advisor. They supervise during mixdown and so forth, or actually get their hands on the mixing board, to ensure that the music has that modern and trendy sound. So they are producing, but not composing.
So yes, there is a lot of phoniness when it comes to DJs that call themselves "producers". This used to bother me, but I don't care now, it's all the magic of show business. So long as none of these DJs go around claiming other people's talent and creativity as their own. Hey, I'd like to hook my wagon to some up and coming DJ, and give them some help :tongue2 |
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| jupiterone |
Speaking of phonies, I got an I.M last night from a dj/"producer" asking if i wanted to listen to "his" latest production, so the amazing kind and generous guy I am, I said sure.
The file transfers, he's like "Play it! tell me what you think, I just finished talking to Virgin Records asking what they thought"....RIGHT THERE is where I pulled out the bull--o-meter.
So I turn it on and woopteedoo it was Hi-Tack - Say Say Say with different id3 tags.
People these days, I tell ya. |
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| ZxZDeViLZxZ |
compare average income of a electronic music producer to a pop/rock/rap/mainstream artists and youll get the drift......
an example of why i personally wont ever make money producing Click here mother ******s
haha no seriously lots of bull i can say honestly that producers who cant do it all themselfs really bug me mostly because im one of those i hate doing the final just a pain in the en ass specially when you allready are happy with the product but know that its not good enough becuase of mastering ...... haha anyhow the track above its a remix i did of holden and thompson nothing.... never finshed it because to be quite honest i started hating the track..... but there ya go
EDIT: this is an old remix i did so plenty of flaws plenty of simple issues that could be resolved but honestly the sound i made in that track i dont know i was most impressed with which is odd becuase honestly 100% of my is exactly that i dont want pitty im just making a point that you do it becuase you en enjoy it not to impress some bitch so shell take yo dick in her ass....... or other randomness |
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| Anz_ |
i really always thought electronic music was about the music and the scene. I just always figured this is what seperates edm from every other genre out there. where as in rap/r&b/alternative all it seems to be about with the artists is getting signed and making money.but in trance its about the club scene/sick melodies etc. everything but money.personally and im not sure how many will agree but i love to play out, and i'll be playing out a little more often at some extremely nice clubs but i dont really care about the money, because i have a real job,but its nice dont get me wrong, so is getting your name out there. But honestly i really wouldnt base my life on being this super huge dj/producer making loads of money. everyone wants to , just not everyone will be able to. dont ever stop producing just dont base your life on trying to be tiesto, or jon o bir, above & beyond.
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| jupiterone |
What most people don't get is that you can make a lot of money in the electronic music business. I'm not a business man but I can imagine how much royalty DJ Sammy has gotten just for that damn song playing on the radio probably over 100,000 times a day around the world. It's all about taste, most people I know, I send them a quality classic trance tune then send them the DJ Sammy tune and they still pick DJ Sammy over it.
America and the whole world, really, enjoys things they have been exposed to and introduced to over and over again, it is why the quality producers and musicians do NOT get noticed that often and when they do they turn most of the time.
You have to have an attitude to succeed and put time, money and everything you got into whatever you love to get somewhere, hell this isn't even about music. If your music gets out to the right folks and it has that element that people love in current music then you can become ridiculously famous and rich.
Everyone would like to be rich, I don't think any really enjoys working in the cubical 7 days a week staring at a monitor and killing their eyes, they'd love the money and fame. Just may not always be reachable if they don't try hard enough. But it certainly can be. |
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| echosystm |
i guess my statement was a bit rash...
but in general, MOST OF US would have to be very f*cking fortunate to earn a GOOD living (100k AUD+) out of music. if you disagree with this you're just kidding yourself...
i'm not going to name names but there are a lot of people out there who had hits and never saw a cent. we've all heard the stories of record companies screwing people and charging promotion costs against the artist, but thats the industry you would be in. also, with the ammount of amateur labels springing up every week, you can expect to find it even harder to make the cut running your own label.
hence you should do it because you enjoy it. you should do it because you enjoy learning about things. you should NOT do it for the money or go rent a studio and get someone to do it all for you, thats just f*cking pathetic.
get my drift now? :toothless |
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| richg101 |
i always laugh when you see things like 'he went into the studio a virgin, and came out a seasoned pro...' these annoying record company sales pitches.
fact is that the track was made by some hired professional 'all round' music engineer who was handed a few vengance cd's from the 'artist'. makes me laugh. and they all seam to sound like nucleuz since it went down the pan and moved away from the picotto sound. |
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| ZxZDeViLZxZ |
| lol perscicly echo you cant make the typical music lifestyle money making electronic..... however you could be some studio bitch at some major recording studio and make some damn decent money even tho your going to be making music but i guess if you take pride and atleast make it well produced it doesnt matter........ being a studio bitch would have it perks but also its downside......... maybe studio bitch is wrong word dont know. |
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| Allied Nations |
| quote: | Originally posted by richg101
he aint anything special because all he does is play other people records. |
Weren't you the one gettin all giddy cuz your jam got played on ASOT? Way to be a dick to all the DJs out there doing their job so you can do yours.
Nicemove. |
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| Nemesis44 |
I think that Rich's statement wasn't really designed to have a go at Eddie Halliwell or DJs that play other peoples music as such but was making the point that you suddenly get guys who don't know the producing side suddenly churn out a track and know relatively little about the process.
Rich does also make and play his own tracks.
Some DJs are almost like some kind of boyband DJ/Producer, essentially their face fitted and they and someone helped them along the way. I think the biggest issue that some of us have with this is not what the DJs themselves have done but the masses who buy into the hype.
At least that's the way I understand it.
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With regards to the statement 'There isn't much money to be made in dance music'. That is too true. You do not get a lot of money for a production these days.
If you have a hit, most of it is swallowed by the record company and production costs. The way you as a Dance music artist then make your money is by DJing.
In that way DJing is still the one sacred element of income in the dance music industry assuming that you have made a name for yourself. If you don't have a name you will most likely try to make it alongside the rest of the insanely underpaid DJs in this world.
Cheers
Nem |
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| Frase |
| quote: | Originally posted by richg101
if a bloke like eddie halliwell releases a well produced track out of the blue i ask myself how the hell he suddenly got those production skills. i mean the guy is only where he is now due to a lucky break that mixmag threw him. he aint anything special because all he does is play other people records. and if he ever releases a track i will know that it has been 100% produced by someone else. |
What a load of rubbish.
Eddie has got where he was through hard work, everyone has their break but to say thats where he's has, just purely on that break is complete rubbish. And how would you know that if he ever releases a track its been 100% produced by someone else, do you work closely to him? Or are you making a sweeping generalisation?
As for the original post; it works both ways now, you find a lot of producers turn dj's for the demand & you find a lot of djs turn producers in order to get the profile. Either way if good music gets out there then it's all good! :) |
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