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How much do DJ turned producers actually produce (pg. 3)
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| Allied Nations |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nemesis44
I think that Rich's statement wasn't really designed to have a go at Eddie Halliwell or DJs that play other peoples music as such but was making the point that you suddenly get guys who don't know the producing side suddenly churn out a track and know relatively little about the process.
Rich does also make and play his own tracks.
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I know, which is one of the main reasons his statement rubbed me the wrong way. I totally see where you are coming from and hope you are right. But like I've said before, I don't care who's name is on something as long as it's good.
I produce and I Dj and whenever I hear statements which attack Djs because "all they do is play other people's records" it pisses me off because DJing is ing hard work! |
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| ZxZDeViLZxZ |
| like trying to wheel a fob philipino bitch to take it in the popper. |
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| Floorfiller |
| quote: | Originally posted by Allied Nations
Weren't you the one gettin all giddy cuz your jam got played on ASOT? Way to be a dick to all the DJs out there doing their job so you can do yours.
Nicemove. |
it's really hard for me to bite my tongue whenever i see him post, but you know...you try not to discourage people...
personally i don't see anything wrong with people getting some help from professional sound engineers, we would all be so lucky to sit down and learn from some... |
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| Synchronicity |
I had a moan about this issue a while ago but I was probably just being jealous! Working with an engineer or proffesional songwriter would be great I reckon.
If the tunes are good does it matter how they were made or who they were made by (excluding gary glitter!)?
Would you refuse to buy a record you like because a DJ with little or no production skills stuck his name on it?
So I guess that's my long way of saying who cares. :)
Still a helpful thread for getting me to this conclusion though! |
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| Allied Nations |
| quote: | Originally posted by Floorfiller
it's really hard for me to bite my tongue whenever i see him post, but you know...you try not to discourage people...
personally i don't see anything wrong with people getting some help from professional sound engineers, we would all be so lucky to sit down and learn from some... |
I know and as I've said above, i don't care who's name is on it as long as it's a good jam. , I wish I could have an engineer sit in on my sessions!
Sure, my response was a bit harsh, but come on, all of you producers RELY on DJs! Our tunes are made in clubs, if its not getting club play and not making people dance (this is referring to dance tunes, house trance etc) it may as well not exist.
Producers bashing DJs is like farmers bashing grocery stores. :p |
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| Krispy Kreme |
| Alot of djs/ "producers" have it easy. I think Rich hits it spot on with the whole eddie thing. Not just eddie but a whole lot of djs do this. Personally i think its bull. Just because you have your name out for being a good dj and you have some connections then all of a sudden you can be a great producer as well without going through all the hell. Take my case for example, Ive been djing well over 10 years, became resident for ministry of sound - taipei for 2 years. I was extremely focused on djing HOWEVER, at that level what happens? You become NOTHING unless you produce, plain and simple. For some reason I was so dumb I did not even think about producing FIRST, then djing and it kicked me in the ass. So what did I do? I did not just hire some professional producers and "lay down" some ideas/melodies and have them make the whole song for me then say it was my song. I put a stop to djing and purely focused on producing. To my surprise , the producing world is probably the biggest bitch to start out in and 100 times harder than djing i must say. I had to learn everything from scratch (sequencers, synths, composing, engineering, MACS -i was a pc guy before ... and etc.) When you just want to start out producing, maybe at first you think its easy.. but when you get into it, the beginning can be the biggest cluster. However, now that I have put large amounts of time into solely producing and working on getting better, I can actually pound out some half decent choons now. At the end of the day, atleast I will know that my work was MY WORK and that I engineered it as well AND feel good about it. That is where the credibilty lies. To me the fake producers are bull, they should give the credit to wherever it deserves to be. |
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| Krispy Kreme |
Its the EXACT same thing as painting. Imagine a person who has a "few ideas" hires a professional painter and tells him what his ideas are. The painter paints it all out and is a masterpiece because he has done it for like 10 years and mastered the skill of painting. Then the person who had just that idea says "sweet this is my painting, IM THE ING PAINTER" and people get fooled by it and love the Idea Man instead of the original painter.
On a side note - The eddie is just a made up reference and i do not know if it is true or not... but just using him as an example since his name was brought up, I do not know if he does this.... HOWEVER I do know A LOT of djs do this , but no names will be mentioned. |
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| deceptikon |
| Lol alot of DJs will bull to make themselves seem like talented producers when they are in fact far from it. Let's live with it, Tiesto pays people to write tracks for him. Suburban Train for example, was done by RVG, I highly doubt Tijs had much to do with it. Sad but true. |
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| Nemesis44 |
My own personal axe to grind with this issue actually comes from producers I know locally in my area. I wont mention names but when some guy who has never produced a single track in his life suddenly starts producing, not on his own mind you, then comes up with one of the bigger tracks of the year in has particular genre you have to ask yourself "what the is going on here?".
The reality is this... I have to accept that maybe my productions are still , this guy is extra talented and I'm not, perhaps my tunes are just sucky but the techniques are fine and so on.
I really do not want to give away any info as this person is actually a freind of mine and it's not that I don't wish him any success on the contrary, but it's my frustration with my lack of it.
What makes this a sensitive subject and should perhaps be handled carefully as the be all and end all of this thread is really people accepting or the refusal of it that their dream is coming crashing to the ground and that they are average like the rest of us mortals. Others are just lazy and want to make excuses. Or maybe we are just not lucky enough and have to make do with what we got... e isn't it? he he
With that in mind I probably need to re-evaluate my stance on this and just be happy that I can produce reasonably well and accept that whatever will be will be.
We have to stop being victims of this urge to become stars as a lot of us have been bitten by that bug as it only breeds jelousy and greed and focus on what matters. As long as you know your consience is clear why does it matter?
I know that's a complete u-turn on my previous post but it got me thinking... :)
Give Jesus a lift when you see him thumbing for one, kiss Alah on the cheek because I bet you she's a fit looking woman, and give Budha a cookie if he asks you for one.
Be thankful for what you've got.
His Holiness
Nem |
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| Nemesis44 |
| quote: | Originally posted by deceptikon
Lol alot of DJs will bull to make themselves seem like talented producers when they are in fact far from it. Let's live with it, Tiesto pays people to write tracks for him. Suburban Train for example, was done by RVG, I highly doubt Tijs had much to do with it. Sad but true. |
Probably the saddest thing about this is that the right person did not get the recognition for that track.
Cheers
Nem |
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| DJMikeyP |
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Whether or not you use this particular site you definitely need to get yourself a database, start filling it with a million names and numbers, and start networking with people. I went to this actors type seminar back when I worked as an entertainer at a "major theme park" (heehee)... and the person giving the lecture made a really good point. She basically said, "If you don't know what next step to take in your career, take any step you can think of.". She then went on to explain that she just filmed her first pilot for some tv show, and the way she did it was something to the effect of talking to her fellow extras on jobs she took... then one of the extras introduced her to a hair stylist that did work for models... the stylist introduced her to some half-successful model... the model introduced her to an indie film director... the director got help from some casting person.. the casting person introduced her to one of her clients which was some guy that worked with some even more obscure person who eventually got her an audition for that pilot.
Its all about being proactive people! |
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| DJMikeyP |
| Lemme modify that to read, "If you don't know what next networking step to take in your career, take any networking step you can think of." |
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