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| Halcyon+On+On |
| quote: | Originally posted by Akridrot
But I never said that. You're putting words in my mouth, and lumping me into a category based on those words. |
You're right, I'm sorry. It's easy for me to get carried away on this subject and for that I apologize. But please look at what you said again:
| quote: | Originally posted by Akridrot
Our health. And why not? It's survival of the fittest, and we gotta do what we gotta do. |
Rounding up bunnies and cats and mice and spraying chemicals on them just to see what happens to them so that we can manufacture products that make us live up to what society's sense of beauty is at an affordable price? That has nothing to do with survival
| quote: | | You're telling me that if innocent human beings are dying because of a disease, it's still completely wrong to test animals to find cures for those diseases? |
Nah, I am saying that animals shouldn't be mutilated and experimented on for the sake of beauty products or some sort of miracle healing balm that helps fat old rich white women live longer.
| quote: | | What if the experimentation is humane? Why does all experimentation have to be torture? How is putting a handful of animals through testing to save or improve millions of lives not a worthwhile cause? |
Well if you wanted to administer the SAT exam to a room full of rabbits, be my guest. I'm eager to see the results.
| quote: | My stance is:
If the animals aren't being abused, and the testing is for an important cause, it's OK. Condoning testing isn't condoning abuse. |
Fair enough. |
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| Akridrot |
| I completely agree with everything in that last post post. 100%. We don't really disagree on much if that's how you feel about this. |
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| dallastar |
I am glad to see this thread turned into a positive debate |
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| Halcyon+On+On |
| quote: | Originally posted by astroboy
There is no massive animal testing lab that runs a conspiracy to hide what research actually goes on. |
Yeah, that's just what they want you to think. :nervous:
| quote: | | Read any medical journal and you can see the results of animal testing specifically or the purposes of finding cures or drugs for chronic medical conditions. Almost every new drug invented, including the recent HPV vaccine (which vaccinates women against two types of cervical cancer) undergoes animal testing before it hits clinical human trials. Any medical researcher will tell you that animal testing provides irreplaceable data, that would be impossible to obtain except for immediate testing on humans, which no one would allow you to do. |
I question how much of this research is unavoidable though. You bring up a very valid point that animal testing provides irreplaceable data in several experiments, and I am certainly not disagreeing with that, but I wonder how many corporations go through with it knowing that there is another way to conduct their research, but they opt to torture animals because it's cheaper that way.
Why is curing cancer worth this? Humans were obviously not designed to live forever - we have to die at some point to keep the population in check (that's another topic entirely), so why are we trying to live forever? And why do we try so hard in vain, knowing that all it brings is more suffering to living creatures?
I know that when faced with the decision of us or them and when faced with the decision between having someone close to me die because of AIDS or cancer and killing small furry mammals for the sake of science, I would choose whatever it took to preserve whomever was close to me, even if the price was so horrible.
But by that same shift in perspective...
what if I were to be experimented upon? |
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| enferno |
can i test buttsechkz on a cat before i try it on a human? just to make sure . .you know . .that it works . .
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| dallastar |
| quote: | Originally posted by enferno
can i test buttsechkz on a cat before i try it on a human? just to make sure . .you know . .that it works . .
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no!:p |
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| Spike |
| quote: | Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
Yeah, that's just what they want you to think. :nervous:
Why is curing cancer worth this? Humans were obviously not designed to live forever - we have to die at some point to keep the population in check (that's another topic entirely), so why are we trying to live forever? And why do we try so hard in vain, knowing that all it brings is more suffering to living creatures?
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exactly! couldnt have said it better myself. |
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| astroboy |
| quote: | Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
Yeah, that's just what they want you to think. :nervous: |
LOL... well with cosmetics corporations, they probably do try to keep their animal testing quiet to maintain a positive brand image or some .
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I question how much of this research is unavoidable though. You bring up a very valid point that animal testing provides irreplaceable data in several experiments, and I am certainly not disagreeing with that, but I wonder how many corporations go through with it knowing that there is another way to conduct their research, but they opt to torture animals because it's cheaper that way. |
Well there i sa standard procedure that any university or pharmaceutical company has to go through with any substance that is intended for human consumption, and in almost all cases it will involve compulsory animal trials just to ensure it's safe.
| quote: | | Why is curing cancer worth this? Humans were obviously not designed to live forever - we have to die at some point to keep the population in check (that's another topic entirely), so why are we trying to live forever? And why do we try so hard in vain, knowing that all it brings is more suffering to living creatures? |
I think it's natural for humanity to better itself and extend it's lifestyle and comfort. If you want to talk about what's natural.. then it's natural for you to mate at 14 and for half of your kids to die as infants of the common cold and diseases preventable by hygiene.
I've had friends and relatives suffer very prolonged fights with cancer and it is the most painful, undignified existance that I can think of. And watching a 9 year old kid see his father writhe in agony was one of the most disturbing things i have yet to see. Natural though it might be I think it is our duty as human beings capable of scientific research to find a way to prevent this suffering.
I think humanity's efforts to ease the suffering of other humans (natural though it is) is one of the few remaining noble pursuits.
| quote: | I know that when faced with the decision of us or them and when faced with the decision between having someone close to me die because of AIDS or cancer and killing small furry mammals for the sake of science, I would choose whatever it took to preserve whomever was close to me, even if the price was so horrible.
But by that same shift in perspective...
what if I were to be experimented upon? |
If you were experimented upon it would be wrong because you are human. If you were a cat and were experimented upon, refer to my previous post in reply to Spike's similar question. |
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| enferno |
| quote: | Originally posted by dallastar
no!:p |
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| Halcyon+On+On |
That's a really stupid trend spawned from a horribly sick video though... |
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| mezzir |
| quote: | Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
That's a really stupid trend spawned from a horribly sick video though... |
true, but its so relevant its scary!
plus its a choon
loldon'thurtme |
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