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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cyrus King
Becuase millions of people are being treated like dogs for a land that others claim as theirs becuase of thier religion. |
So you much be REALLY upset at the 'New World' huh (ie. Canada/US)? |
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cyrus King
That is thier home now and i respect that. |
Hogwash.
Exempting this thread, I've yet to see almost ANY post of yours regarding Israel without utter contempt.
I do have to say this though CK, these is most logical, coherent, non-foaming posts I've ever read from you.
Are we seeing a new CK?
I for one, applaud you! ;) :D |
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| Cyrus King |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fir3start3r
So you much be REALLY upset at the 'New World' huh (ie. Canada/US)? |
Do you think wiping out the natives was a good thing?
I dont have contempt for the "new world" becuase the people who took part in the genocide of Natives are long gone.. about 400 years ago???
But the Palestinians that are alive today are going through a similar circumstance...not as extreme but their land is being taken away from them
Its lame when people keep bringing up what happened to North America 400 + years ago and compare it to whats happening NOW infront of our eyes!!!! |
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| Cyrus King |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fir3start3r
Hogwash.
Exempting this thread, I've yet to see almost ANY post of yours regarding Israel without utter contempt.
I do have to say this though CK, these is most logical, coherent, non-foaming posts I've ever read from you.
Are we seeing a new CK?
I for one, applaud you! ;) :D |
I despise that government.. and the nature of HOW Israel was created. I will never "AGREE" with it. Whats done is done... israel exists... and no one can reverse that. I dont have contempt for the people who live there though. Its not their fault they were born there. They have to live protecting themselves for whatever reason.
But will always have contempt for that country. Its the epitome of theft, just as i have contempt for Saudi Arabia. |
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| Shakka |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cyrus King
But will always have contempt for that country. Its the epitome of theft, just as i have contempt for Saudi Arabia. |
Many, many other countries (U.S. included) would fall into that camp, would they not? |
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| Krypton |
The Jews displaced the Canaanites; they do it again with Palestinians. What's going on?
The Israeli state has already been established, entrenched, and unwilling to abolish itself. The only solution is comprimise. A two-state solution sharing Jarusalem. The ball generally lies with one strongest player, and that is Israel. Israel can end this all right now, by withdrawing to the 1967 borders, allowing a Palestinian state to be created, and an apology for displacing hundreds of thousands. If only reconciliation were possible. |
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| Lilith |
| quote: | Originally posted by Shakka
Many, many other countries (U.S. included) would fall into that camp, would they not? |
So would most middle east, asian and african nations, but hatred is a blind and selective process that ignores things like reason in the pursuit of having something to rail against.
It's hard to say which I dislike more.
The bitter old men manipulating young men and women into killing and hating for the injustices of the past or the ones that take up the voice and actions of their forefathers as a means to justify their existance. |
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| Cyrus King |
| quote: | Originally posted by Shakka
Many, many other countries (U.S. included) would fall into that camp, would they not? |
I explained why Israel is different. |
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| Shakka |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cyrus King
I explained why Israel is different. |
Is theft by religion really any different than theft by any other name? At the end of the day theft is still theft if that's how you want to characterize it. |
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| shaolin_Z |
It's actually kind of sad that you've come this close to confessing to your (part of) support for the apartiet state of Israel:
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
well, i would argue that displacement has always revolved around military superiority and conquest. if israel is still there in 100 years, do the palestinians still have a claim? should indigenous australian & american population have some recourse to displacement? id just like to know why israel is a bigger concern for you than any of the other multitude of displaced peoples we have seen throughout the ages. indeed, should the jews deserve parts of germany, poland & czechaslovakia? |
...is based on the notion that "might is right." That expalins alot.
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
essentially my position is, since these issues are (in your own words) murky water territory, how can one be so adamently one-sided concerning the whole issue? |
I think you just answered your own question, assuming you're talking to someone who isn't a hypocrite and actually has a minimal sense of morality. But that's ok, maybe some day your 'white guilt' over the holocaust will fade and you'll be able to think more rationaly about this subject. And no, I'm not being sacracstic here or trying to get a rise out you. I just can't help but notice how the only ethnic/religious groups the West is more tolerant of, not to mention scared of being critical of, are the ones who's suffering under their thumb is just so blatantly obvious, that they finally have swallow their pride and acknowledge it; you eigther have to kill them by the millions in gas chambers or wipe virtually all of them off (well, atleast enough to take control of) a conquered continent, eigther way a holocaust. So what's it going to take for a good number of you guys (not all, there's still plenty enough rational people) to finally snap out of denial of the decades of injustices imposed by the major Western powers on the Middle East/Muslims and accept some responsibility? Another holocaust, except this time you're going to gas "sand******s" instead of "kikes"? Or perhaps turning a Middle Eastern coutnry in into glass bowl? Or, maybe, 400 years from now, looking back at history, and then when it comes to Palestine, will it be "Oops, I guess we shouldn't have supported the Nazi Zionist State and the Palesitian Holocaust." |
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| Lilith |
| If any of you nutters are going to start comparing Israeli law with South African apartheid, I will wreck you. :mad: |
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| shaolin_Z |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lilith
Kind of like how Iraq in recent years decided they'd like Kuwait and wandered down there to take it and before that how they decided that they'd like a bit of Iran too a little over ten years before that.
But, its ok if the arabs kill each other for land, we can conveniently overlook that in favour of the 'jewish menace' in the ancestral home of Palestine. |
Uhuh, a dictator brought into power by the US. There a pretty big difference here though. The attrocites you speak of are carried out by totalitarian regimes and dictarships, most of which the West has supported in the past (and some of them it hepled bring in power). When a democraticaly elected Goverment is doing it, it's makes things quite different. So on the one hand you have totalitarian goverments, some even installed by the West, and then you have democraticaly elected goverments doing the same, except disproportionaltely worse.
| quote: | Originally posted by Lilith
Face it
They got their noses rubbed in the dirt, on a few occassions they've tried to get it back they got beaten into the dirt so badly most arent exactly keen to try it again. |
Bravo. Now go invade some other country, you'll be an even bigger man.
| quote: | Originally posted by Lilith
Anything said after that is just some macho crotch grabbing and grunting as far as I'm concerned.
Little men in broken countries trying to be oh so tough. |
Yeah, those sand******s just don't get it do they? |
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