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Ahmadinejad meeting Jews - Video clip
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| Cyrus King |
Watch this clip. Its interesting how the Orthodox jews and Ahmadinejad solely refer to zionisms destruction, but the stupid reporter always has to mention that he wants to "wipe israel off the map"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vi1WvoqXdI4
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| cyrus- how far back should claims of land title be applicable? |
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| Cyrus King |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
cyrus- how far back should claims of land title be applicable? |
That question is extremely vague. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cyrus King
That question is extremely vague. |
i would like to know the "cut off" date from where ties to previously inhabited lands no longer apply. given the history of humankind and their tendency to displace other cultures or groups, how far back before land title rights lose their legitimacy? |
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| Q5echo |
| oh i can't WAIT for this! |
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| Cyrus King |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
i would like to know the "cut off" date from where ties to previously inhabited lands no longer apply. given the history of humankind and their tendency to displace other cultures or groups, how far back before land title rights lose their legitimacy? |
Its not a question of an actual cut off date, but rather the nature at which the indiginous population is removed or displaced. You cant look at land entitlment temporally, or as a specific date, thats why Israel is such an issue. They claim their predesesors were there, and tend to forget that an indingous population has been there longer than they have ancestrally.
Each conflict or part of the world has its own story and should be argued for in context of its nature.
Its a very murky water youre tredding in |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cyrus King
Its not a question of an actual cut off date, but rather the nature at which the indiginous population is removed or displaced. You cant look at land entitlment temporally, or as a specific date, thats why Israel is such an issue. They claim their predesesors were there, and tend to forget that an indingous population has been there longer than they have ancestrally.
Each conflict or part of the world has its own story and should be argued for in context of its nature.
Its a very murky water youre tredding in |
well, i would argue that displacement has always revolved around military superiority and conquest. if israel is still there in 100 years, do the palestinians still have a claim? should indigenous australian & american population have some recourse to displacement? id just like to know why israel is a bigger concern for you than any of the other multitude of displaced peoples we have seen throughout the ages. indeed, should the jews deserve parts of germany, poland & czechaslovakia?
essentially my position is, since these issues are (in your own words) murky water territory, how can one be so adamently one-sided concerning the whole issue? |
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| Cyrus King |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
well, i would argue that displacement has always revolved around military superiority and conquest. if israel is still there in 100 years, do the palestinians still have a claim? should indigenous australian & american population have some recourse to displacement? id just like to know why israel is a bigger concern for you than any of the other multitude of displaced peoples we have seen throughout the ages. indeed, should the jews deserve parts of germany, poland & czechaslovakia?
essentially my position is, since these issues are (in your own words) murky water territory, how can one be so adamently one-sided concerning the whole issue? |
Becuase millions of people are being treated like dogs for a land that others claim as theirs becuase of thier religion. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cyrus King
Becuase millions of people are being treated like dogs for a land that others claim as theirs becuase of thier religion. |
perhaps at israel's creation. but now millions of other inhabitants now possess that land. several new generations. is that land any less theirs? |
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| Cyrus King |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
perhaps at israel's creation. but now millions of other inhabitants now possess that land. several new generations. is that land any less theirs? |
Its unfortunate the nature at how these people made that land theirs. But what has happened has happened. That is thier home now and i respect that. As time goes on, and generations fruition, more legitemacy can be given to that Homeland of theirs. However, thisis all at the expense of taking someone elses land by force. Which i dont agree with. |
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| Lilith |
Kind of like how Iraq in recent years decided they'd like Kuwait and wandered down there to take it and before that how they decided that they'd like a bit of Iran too a little over ten years before that.
But, its ok if the arabs kill each other for land, we can conveniently overlook that in favour of the 'jewish menace' in the ancestral home of Palestine.
Face it
They got their noses rubbed in the dirt, on a few occassions they've tried to get it back they got beaten into the dirt so badly most arent exactly keen to try it again.
Anything said after that is just some macho crotch grabbing and grunting as far as I'm concerned.
Little men in broken countries trying to be oh so tough. |
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| skot_e |
| Well native title in this country looks back to ownership over 200 years ago, tho it doesn't provide for allowance of governance (appart from pitjanjara lands in South Australia's north west [I think that's the name]) |
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