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Next Ontario Smoking Law --- Banning smoking in your own apartment or condo??? (pg. 3)
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| Skipper |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
actually he was referring to what was concluded and recommended at a government sponsored anti smoking conference in Niagara Falls last week. |
Then why don't you post something from the horse's mouth directly? |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by adikted2trance
We had one of our drivers ( my dad owns a trucking company ) get fined with "smoking in the work place" last month .. he was pulled over for a routine road side check .. was smoking in his truck .. its considered as his work place when he is on duty and driving .. $282.00 fine .. |
Pathetic |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Skipper
Then why don't you post something from the horse's mouth directly? |
http://www.otcconference.com/index.html
thats a link to the conference website. Take note of it's sponsors.
I am trying to find the minutes of the conference or any documents that may have resulted from it but i cant seem to find any. Perhaps there is a reason for that?
BTW just because its not on the 6 oclock news doesnt mean it didnt happen.
BTW i find this to be a VERY interesting disclaimer | quote: | | * refers to commercial tobacco control and not to the medicinal or spiritual use of tobacco in aboriginal communities |
so i guess if you are aboriginal you are allowed to have more rights? hmmmm and MEDICINAL uses? Are they saying that tobacco can actually cure things? Political Correctness is a funny animal sometimes |
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| MarkT |
in well sealed apartments and condos, this is ridiculous...but in a "multi-family dwelling" such as a old house, this is a HUGE deal.
Until I got my own place last year, I had a roomate and rented a floor and a half of a big, old house in Cabbagetown. There was a basement unit, our main floor + half of the 2nd, then a 3rd unit on the other half of the 2nd and the entire 3rd.
If the guys in the basement smoked ONE cigarette, our entire downstairs smelled of cigarette smoke. My roomate's room was right above part of their apt and it *stank* of smoke in there.
That is a health hazard and it SHOULD be covered by legislation.
*AGAIN* I will refer to the harm principle when determining if a law is just. Do what you want, so long as you don't harm others while doing so.
Should you be able to smoke in your own home? yes. should you be able to smoke in your own home if your smoking means that someone else is "smoking" in their home as a result? NO. |
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| Claude Hughes |
| YES! next step is to ban the selling of cigarettes altogether! |
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| Paulinho |
| quote: | Originally posted by Claude Hughes
YES! next step is to ban the selling of cigarettes altogether! |
+1 thats what i was gonna say
Stop selling em if you cant smoke em |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Claude Hughes
YES! next step is to ban the selling of cigarettes altogether! |
that wont happen as long as the government is addicted to the taxes |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by MarkT
in well sealed apartments and condos, this is ridiculous...but in a "multi-family dwelling" such as a old house, this is a HUGE deal.
Until I got my own place last year, I had a roomate and rented a floor and a half of a big, old house in Cabbagetown. There was a basement unit, our main floor + half of the 2nd, then a 3rd unit on the other half of the 2nd and the entire 3rd.
If the guys in the basement smoked ONE cigarette, our entire downstairs smelled of cigarette smoke. My roomate's room was right above part of their apt and it *stank* of smoke in there.
That is a health hazard and it SHOULD be covered by legislation.
*AGAIN* I will refer to the harm principle when determining if a law is just. Do what you want, so long as you don't harm others while doing so.
Should you be able to smoke in your own home? yes. should you be able to smoke in your own home if your smoking means that someone else is "smoking" in their home as a result? NO. |
shouldnt the landlord have the right then to choose whether or not to rent to smokers and non smokers and shouldnt the non smokers be able to decide whether they want to move into a smoking allowed shared house or not?
Why is it always up to big brother? If the market exists and people want this badly enough, it will happen. The law should say that shared housing is either "smoking" or "non smoking" as determined by the landlord and should only be for such types of dwelling. Im pretty sure room mates are able to choose smoking and non smoking room mates when they rent out a room without the government stepping in. Why should this be any harder? |
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| ChemEnhanced |
When I lived in an apartment I had a neighbour who cooked the most disgusting smelling food....the entire hallway smelt like crap and so did my apartment because of it. I actually became ill one day because of the smell. Why not just ban odor all together.
Something is going to kill us....if second hand smoke from the guy who lives in the apartment next to you is your biggest concern on your health then you must not leave your house very often. |
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| ChemEnhanced |
| quote: | Originally posted by Claude Hughes
YES! next step is to ban the selling of cigarettes altogether! |
how about banning the selling of alcohol.....oh wait that won't happen either....the government makes to much money off that and it is socially acceptable. |
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| dallastar |
| I think this is a great idea and by then I should be done done done with smoking! |
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| MarkT |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
shouldnt the landlord have the right then to choose whether or not to rent to smokers and non smokers and shouldnt the non smokers be able to decide whether they want to move into a smoking allowed shared house or not?
Why is it always up to big brother? If the market exists and people want this badly enough, it will happen. The law should say that shared housing is either "smoking" or "non smoking" as determined by the landlord and should only be for such types of dwelling. Im pretty sure room mates are able to choose smoking and non smoking room mates when they rent out a room without the government stepping in. Why should this be any harder? |
always leaving things to the market isn't good enough...the market moves slow and the market can be manipulated. How do you enforce this anyway? Who is going to pay to monitor, enforce, etc. some "registry" of smoking and non-smoking properties?
During our "interview" our landlord did tell us that he wanted non-smokers because the long-term tenants upstairs don't smoke either and the girl in the basement also did not. We don't smoke, so no problem.
3 years later, the basement tenant moves out, coincidentally when the Toronto rental market went to (i.e. high vancancy rate)...so he rented the basement to two guys who smoke rather than have it vacant for any longer. He asked them not to smoke, but wrote nothing into their tenancy agreement. Keep in mind that just because something is (or is not) in the rental agreement doesn't mean it is (or is not) legal and/or enforceable.
e.g. I can't put in your tenancy agreement that you can't have more than one friend over to visit...that will *never* stand up in court as a reasonable limit/condition. Rental buildings can't (or at least couldn't) legislate against tenants having kids and/or pets...though condos can, becaue they have by-laws and declarations...rental units, no such luck.
So what was our recourse? we asked them not to smoke, they basically said " you". our landlord asked them not to smoke, as per their discussion, they basically said " you". So how quickly will that be recourse be addressed under current law? So in the meantime, our whole ground floor REEKS of smoke? for weeks? for months? Do I sue my landlord based upon a verbal agreement I had with him 4 yeas ago? Even if 'no smoking' was written into their agreement, who's going to expeditiously force them to stop polluting our entire ground floor everytime they smoke?
sorry...that's not adequate protection for non-smokers, IMHO.
It would take MONTHS to rectify the situation with uncooperative fellow tenants in the house and/or a landlord who won't do anything and that's simply not unacceptable. |
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