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Official TIESTO EN TIJUANA *REVIEW* (pg. 7)
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| quote: | Originally posted by mar46017
You know what "HURT" the electronic scene??? Raves did. Who ever went out the desert, took like 5+ pills, rolled off their ass and died.
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Good point.
Tiesto is to EDM today like the Super Bowl is to football. His hype bring in a lot of non EDM people for a night of EDM. A few stick around but most will wait for the next Tiesto or Oakenfold appearance. It is what it is.
Nothing wrong with it but its not why I am here.
To much rock star and not enough substance for me these days.
Glad you all had fun. Sounds like we have a new venue to enjoy too. |
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| djjoshuaallen |
| Tiesto/PVD/AVB hype is really good for the scene IMO. It exposes those who would not normally listen to the music, it is up to them to take it to the next level and dig for the really good stuff. Although tiesto is not the best mixer/producer....you cant deny his management and marketing peeps surrounding him. He brings an amazing party everytime out. |
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| CrazedOut |
Exactly, what's the important thing? It's that he brings ENERGY, and lots of it, and gets with the crowd and everyone there always has a blast!
I haven't been to any of Tiesto's shows yet, but damn do I love watching his vids. And I can't in wait til he comes to LA again because last time I wasnt able to go :mad: |
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| progressiveMOJO |
the reasons I dislike what Tiesto does for the EDM scene are several. They're also a reflection on the idea of the "celebrity DJ" as a whole, and how the promotion of those events affects EDM at large.
1) with Tiesto, it's about the star/DJ and not about the music. This is painfully obvious; people go to a Tiesto concert and even if he played a terrible set and trainwrecked (take for instance his inability to mix in key, or align segments of songs with each other), they'd say he was incredible.
2) it gives people a very narrow idea of what EDM is, and a very skewed perception of what the majority of the scene is like. Sure these massive parties can be fun once in a long while, but it leads to the disappearance of any appreciation for the underground, or for new and inventive styles of EDM. People come to expect a giant party with thousands of people and blaring trance beats, and think that nothing else exists.
3) Some people go see Tiesto, and then decide to try out clubbing, and then because of that afforementioned narrow perspective on EDM and the scene in general, wreck the atmosphere at many nights because "its not trance" or "the crowd wasnt big enough" or whatever.
Occasionally, Tiesto (or PVD or Armin or Markus or others like them) can be someone's gateway into a real appreciation for EDM. That's great when it happens, and to some degree people like them are necessary for things to spread and perpetuate. However I see this as the exception rather than the rule.
I'm saying this based on my own personal views, tastes, opinions, etc., by no means do you have to agree.
One personal experience that is worth sharing: In the spring of this year, Houston TX had just about the best run of out-of-talent visit the city that we've ever had. In about 2 months we had BT, Infusion, John Digweed, Hernan Cattaneo, DJ Hyper, and Bassnectar all play at different places in town. All of them played WICKED sets (except BT, whose laptop crashed), all of the crowds were really into the music and having a great time (especially Cattaneo and Infusion). Then, 2 weeks later, Tiesto played a show.
I went to see Tiesto with a friend who REALLY wanted to go, despite many times saying that I'd rather save my $40 (which is ridiculous for a 2hr set), just to see what all the fuss is about. Tiesto ended up doing 2 shows that night, one that ran until 2am at a different venue and then the party I attended from 2:30-4:30am. I'm thinking, afterparty-ish crowd, maybe some people who went to see both, but this show should be better in terms of atmosphere and music (since most dj's pull out their best and most dirty stuff at afterparty-type events). It was in the same club that had hosted 3 amazing parties in the last month, but things were very different. There was a large amount of standing around and not dancing going on. The atmosphere was like a concert more than a dance party, people standing and listening to songs and only reacting to the big "anthems," which were universally Tiesto's own productions. Anthems can be great, sure, but when they're the ONLY thing that makes people really dance then something's wrong either with the music or the crowd. By the end of the night, even my friend (who was a BIG Tiesto fan, but also with a broader appreciation of EDM) wanted to leave early because the crowd was making the night dull, and the music was getting generic. And all of this in a city and venue that 2 weeks earlier hosted a string of the best parties I've ever attended.
So my fear, and the impression I got from that show is, Tiesto draws out a crowd that I can't enjoy myself in, not because of its size but because of its nature, and perpetuates that kind of crowd as what the EDM scene is. I don't want to be in a packed club but be the only person whose idea of "dancing" includes more than jumping up and down when an anthem starts. |
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| mar46017 |
Hey TA's
I decided I'm going to start DJing house/trance music. What do you think. I'll do a free set after a hip hop show I'm producing anyway from 12-3 AM in Hollywood, you think people will show? They are starting at 10, so they should be done by midnight. By then I'll put hip hop in the alt room and see who's left.
It's gonna be the first Sat of January. January 6th.
By then I'll have to learn how to mix. I'll either have DJ friends teach me or take that class over at grooveriders.
Or maybe I'll just pay the guy who wrote an essay before me about why he dislikes Tiesto. Don't wanna upset him when I DJ in Texas!
DJ Mikey Mike |
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| Xtracktor |
| quote: | Originally posted by progressiveMOJO
the reasons I dislike what Tiesto does for the EDM scene are several. They're also a reflection on the idea of the "celebrity DJ" as a whole, and how the promotion of those events affects EDM at large.
1) with Tiesto, it's about the star/DJ and not about the music. This is painfully obvious; people go to a Tiesto concert and even if he played a terrible set and trainwrecked (take for instance his inability to mix in key, or align segments of songs with each other), they'd say he was incredible.
2) it gives people a very narrow idea of what EDM is, and a very skewed perception of what the majority of the scene is like. Sure these massive parties can be fun once in a long while, but it leads to the disappearance of any appreciation for the underground, or for new and inventive styles of EDM. People come to expect a giant party with thousands of people and blaring trance beats, and think that nothing else exists.
3) Some people go see Tiesto, and then decide to try out clubbing, and then because of that afforementioned narrow perspective on EDM and the scene in general, wreck the atmosphere at many nights because "its not trance" or "the crowd wasnt big enough" or whatever.
Occasionally, Tiesto (or PVD or Armin or Markus or others like them) can be someone's gateway into a real appreciation for EDM. That's great when it happens, and to some degree people like them are necessary for things to spread and perpetuate. However I see this as the exception rather than the rule.
I'm saying this based on my own personal views, tastes, opinions, etc., by no means do you have to agree.
One personal experience that is worth sharing: In the spring of this year, Houston TX had just about the best run of out-of-talent visit the city that we've ever had. In about 2 months we had BT, Infusion, John Digweed, Hernan Cattaneo, DJ Hyper, and Bassnectar all play at different places in town. All of them played WICKED sets (except BT, whose laptop crashed), all of the crowds were really into the music and having a great time (especially Cattaneo and Infusion). Then, 2 weeks later, Tiesto played a show.
I went to see Tiesto with a friend who REALLY wanted to go, despite many times saying that I'd rather save my $40 (which is ridiculous for a 2hr set), just to see what all the fuss is about. Tiesto ended up doing 2 shows that night, one that ran until 2am at a different venue and then the party I attended from 2:30-4:30am. I'm thinking, afterparty-ish crowd, maybe some people who went to see both, but this show should be better in terms of atmosphere and music (since most dj's pull out their best and most dirty stuff at afterparty-type events). It was in the same club that had hosted 3 amazing parties in the last month, but things were very different. There was a large amount of standing around and not dancing going on. The atmosphere was like a concert more than a dance party, people standing and listening to songs and only reacting to the big "anthems," which were universally Tiesto's own productions. Anthems can be great, sure, but when they're the ONLY thing that makes people really dance then something's wrong either with the music or the crowd. By the end of the night, even my friend (who was a BIG Tiesto fan, but also with a broader appreciation of EDM) wanted to leave early because the crowd was making the night dull, and the music was getting generic. And all of this in a city and venue that 2 weeks earlier hosted a string of the best parties I've ever attended.
So my fear, and the impression I got from that show is, Tiesto draws out a crowd that I can't enjoy myself in, not because of its size but because of its nature, and perpetuates that kind of crowd as what the EDM scene is. I don't want to be in a packed club but be the only person whose idea of "dancing" includes more than jumping up and down when an anthem starts. |
Amen!
I can personally say that this is 100% in his recent years post 2004. Sorry but Magik 6+7 are still some my favorite mixes of all time, it is up there with Involver, but times have changed, the scene has changed, tiesto has REALLY changed. |
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| MichaelBoogerd! |
| quote: | Originally posted by progressiveMOJO
the reasons I dislike what Tiesto does for the EDM scene are several. They're also a reflection on the idea of the "celebrity DJ" as a whole, and how the promotion of those events affects EDM at large.
1) with Tiesto, it's about the star/DJ and not about the music. This is painfully obvious; people go to a Tiesto concert and even if he played a terrible set and trainwrecked (take for instance his inability to mix in key, or align segments of songs with each other), they'd say he was incredible.
2) it gives people a very narrow idea of what EDM is, and a very skewed perception of what the majority of the scene is like. Sure these massive parties can be fun once in a long while, but it leads to the disappearance of any appreciation for the underground, or for new and inventive styles of EDM. People come to expect a giant party with thousands of people and blaring trance beats, and think that nothing else exists.
3) Some people go see Tiesto, and then decide to try out clubbing, and then because of that afforementioned narrow perspective on EDM and the scene in general, wreck the atmosphere at many nights because "its not trance" or "the crowd wasnt big enough" or whatever.
Occasionally, Tiesto (or PVD or Armin or Markus or others like them) can be someone's gateway into a real appreciation for EDM. That's great when it happens, and to some degree people like them are necessary for things to spread and perpetuate. However I see this as the exception rather than the rule.
I'm saying this based on my own personal views, tastes, opinions, etc., by no means do you have to agree.
One personal experience that is worth sharing: In the spring of this year, Houston TX had just about the best run of out-of-talent visit the city that we've ever had. In about 2 months we had BT, Infusion, John Digweed, Hernan Cattaneo, DJ Hyper, and Bassnectar all play at different places in town. All of them played WICKED sets (except BT, whose laptop crashed), all of the crowds were really into the music and having a great time (especially Cattaneo and Infusion). Then, 2 weeks later, Tiesto played a show.
I went to see Tiesto with a friend who REALLY wanted to go, despite many times saying that I'd rather save my $40 (which is ridiculous for a 2hr set), just to see what all the fuss is about. Tiesto ended up doing 2 shows that night, one that ran until 2am at a different venue and then the party I attended from 2:30-4:30am. I'm thinking, afterparty-ish crowd, maybe some people who went to see both, but this show should be better in terms of atmosphere and music (since most dj's pull out their best and most dirty stuff at afterparty-type events). It was in the same club that had hosted 3 amazing parties in the last month, but things were very different. There was a large amount of standing around and not dancing going on. The atmosphere was like a concert more than a dance party, people standing and listening to songs and only reacting to the big "anthems," which were universally Tiesto's own productions. Anthems can be great, sure, but when they're the ONLY thing that makes people really dance then something's wrong either with the music or the crowd. By the end of the night, even my friend (who was a BIG Tiesto fan, but also with a broader appreciation of EDM) wanted to leave early because the crowd was making the night dull, and the music was getting generic. And all of this in a city and venue that 2 weeks earlier hosted a string of the best parties I've ever attended.
So my fear, and the impression I got from that show is, Tiesto draws out a crowd that I can't enjoy myself in, not because of its size but because of its nature, and perpetuates that kind of crowd as what the EDM scene is. I don't want to be in a packed club but be the only person whose idea of "dancing" includes more than jumping up and down when an anthem starts. |
In total agreement about the nature of the Tiesto crowd. It really isn't 'just' an EDM orientated "i'm there to enjoy the music & dance" anymore.
But your first 3 points are obscured by something that is out of Tiesto's control.
1. If it wasn't for the music, Tijs would be nowhere. Its ALL about the music. Even for someone like Tiesto. Unfortunately, sometimes that backfires on both him & experienced EDM'ers in his crowd... cos the majority of the people want hits. It's about the star? Thats up to the promoters and management to organise the party so Tiesto gets into his booth on the pedestal, and gets shown off the whole night. I've been to his shows in the last 5 years where he isn't even seen from the dancefloor, and i'll agree the atmosphere is much better. But are you serioualy going to blame Tiesto for this? Its more the fault of how the party is organised, advertised, and the people who turn up for the hype. Not his fault.
2. Definitely true. But why blame Tiesto for this? The majority of big names/successful brandnames in the industry - Cocoon, Godskitchen, Cream are all holding these parties. The scene is now global. While in Europe & North America, EDM is enjoyed in clubs... in places like South America 10s of thousands of clubbers travel to beaches or locations to witness big name DJs - whatever the genre. Inspired by this, i believe the 'concert style' to be the easiest format for Tiesto and his management to organise - the demand is there, and they know there is supply around the globe to support this. Its no different to Gods hosting shows like this around the planet too, except with 1 difference, its the same DJ. (and unfortunately most of the time the same tunes lol).
3. Surely that is for them to find out and experience. Everyone has an entry point into EDM. Not everyone finds James Holden at there first party, and really digs his set. No. They listen to TMF as a teenager, they hear cheese. They find something accessible about Tiesto's commercial hits in between the gay-assed MTV generation hits, and go to see him based on that reputation. Its only over time, do these people calm down and find out about the real EDM scene. Whats the point in bitching about them complaining a real club-party with underground dj lineup is not as good event as Tiesto. They are just not ready to embrace other genres.
While I agree the DJ culture & nature of the crowd at Tiesto shows does lean very closed-mindedly toward DJ worship. I'd hardly say thats any fault of Tiesto. He put himself out there, is it his fault that fans lap it up like golden syrup.
RE: the phenomenon that is people not dancing at Tiesto shows. I really haven't got a ing answer for that. Although i wish i had. I can reassure you i fall into the bracket of people looking around the gig when Adagio comes on, wondering whether i've just stumbled across the second coming of Christ, not a DJ performance. And then 5 minutes later, and some wicked ass techy tune is being played like Vitalic La Rock, and everyone is just milling around like its a SAGA convention.
Its really frustrating for a proper Tiesto fan to voice any kind of opinion these days. From EDM fans like yourself, we're taunted at for still enjoying Tiesto. We're also bitched on for writing silly monologues like this one.
Then on the flipside of the coin, we've also got 250'000 n00bs around the world, screaming at Tiesto to drop Traffic everytime they see him, watch him, listen to him (but hell no, don't dance to him).
I also agree that its definitely few exceptions that find proper EDM via Tiesto. I could reel off hundreds of people who've come and gone off the Tiesto bandwagon, only to end up going to a party this year and saying he sucked, and that they would stick with Trance only, and with Armin instead of Tiesto hype... honestly. How stupid are some people? Out of the frying pan into the fire springs to mind there. Anyway, i can only name about 10 people that i know that started out with Tiesto and completely moved into other areas of the scene since.
The nature of Tiesto shows though, shouldn't be blamed on the DJ. Yes, he has a certain degree of power to actually CHANGE that, by playing fresh material, by ignoring the gimps in the crowd who wanna hear the hits. But at the moment, he's trying very hard to walk a tightrope... one where he can spin some better for the experienced fans, and then switch on auto-pilot and hammer out a few hits for 20 minutes near the end for all the retards out there.
The last few shows i've been to, that tightrope-walk has been a success. Too bad that you didn't enjoy Tijuana, I must say, that it does look a little hit-heavy, just like the tracklist from Mexico City. I guess thats more concern, for the type of crowd Tiesto thinks he is playing to in Mexico, than it is concern that he has completely lost the plot. |
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| nerdgrl416 |
| quote: | Originally posted by progressiveMOJO
the reasons I dislike what Tiesto does for the EDM scene are several. They're also a reflection on the idea of the "celebrity DJ" as a whole, and how the promotion of those events affects EDM at large.
1) with Tiesto, it's about the star/DJ and not about the music. This is painfully obvious; people go to a Tiesto concert and even if he played a terrible set and trainwrecked (take for instance his inability to mix in key, or align segments of songs with each other), they'd say he was incredible.
2) it gives people a very narrow idea of what EDM is, and a very skewed perception of what the majority of the scene is like. Sure these massive parties can be fun once in a long while, but it leads to the disappearance of any appreciation for the underground, or for new and inventive styles of EDM. People come to expect a giant party with thousands of people and blaring trance beats, and think that nothing else exists.
3) Some people go see Tiesto, and then decide to try out clubbing, and then because of that afforementioned narrow perspective on EDM and the scene in general, wreck the atmosphere at many nights because "its not trance" or "the crowd wasnt big enough" or whatever.
Occasionally, Tiesto (or PVD or Armin or Markus or others like them) can be someone's gateway into a real appreciation for EDM. That's great when it happens, and to some degree people like them are necessary for things to spread and perpetuate. However I see this as the exception rather than the rule.
I'm saying this based on my own personal views, tastes, opinions, etc., by no means do you have to agree.
One personal experience that is worth sharing: In the spring of this year, Houston TX had just about the best run of out-of-talent visit the city that we've ever had. In about 2 months we had BT, Infusion, John Digweed, Hernan Cattaneo, DJ Hyper, and Bassnectar all play at different places in town. All of them played WICKED sets (except BT, whose laptop crashed), all of the crowds were really into the music and having a great time (especially Cattaneo and Infusion). Then, 2 weeks later, Tiesto played a show.
I went to see Tiesto with a friend who REALLY wanted to go, despite many times saying that I'd rather save my $40 (which is ridiculous for a 2hr set), just to see what all the fuss is about. Tiesto ended up doing 2 shows that night, one that ran until 2am at a different venue and then the party I attended from 2:30-4:30am. I'm thinking, afterparty-ish crowd, maybe some people who went to see both, but this show should be better in terms of atmosphere and music (since most dj's pull out their best and most dirty stuff at afterparty-type events). It was in the same club that had hosted 3 amazing parties in the last month, but things were very different. There was a large amount of standing around and not dancing going on. The atmosphere was like a concert more than a dance party, people standing and listening to songs and only reacting to the big "anthems," which were universally Tiesto's own productions. Anthems can be great, sure, but when they're the ONLY thing that makes people really dance then something's wrong either with the music or the crowd. By the end of the night, even my friend (who was a BIG Tiesto fan, but also with a broader appreciation of EDM) wanted to leave early because the crowd was making the night dull, and the music was getting generic. And all of this in a city and venue that 2 weeks earlier hosted a string of the best parties I've ever attended.
So my fear, and the impression I got from that show is, Tiesto draws out a crowd that I can't enjoy myself in, not because of its size but because of its nature, and perpetuates that kind of crowd as what the EDM scene is. I don't want to be in a packed club but be the only person whose idea of "dancing" includes more than jumping up and down when an anthem starts. |
One thing I totally agree with is the crowds. A bunch of cracked out noobs and washers. Not saying that everyone that sees Tijs play is a noob or washer but unfortunately his gigs tend to attract these people. When Tiesto is playing in the club, I will not go because I cannot stand the crowd in such a small space. |
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| TSG |
This is so COOL! :toothless TIESTO always gets threads with multi-pages!  |
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| DjWoody |
Well, back to the subject... I had a freakin awesome time at Tiesto's show. For some reason, I enjoy his shows in Mexico a lot more than here in LA. Theyre more fun.
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http://djwoody.com/gallery/tiesto_tj
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http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=djwoody714
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The sound was SICK! They had a full blow JBL Vertech concert sound system. It was really clean sounding. The visuals were good too. Some were the same visuals he used for Tiesto In Concert in LA.
Girls! OMG! There was so many hot girls there! Whoa! But those budlight girls made my night.
The place was HUGE! It was like this huge empty parking lot. They weren't kidding when they said they fit 25,000. From what I was told, they pulled nearly 15,000. AWESOME!
The lines to get in sucked! Well, if had a hard presale ticket they did sucked! If you had will call, you went right away. My friend had hard ticket and it took her two hours to get in! OUCH! We got in within 15 min.
TACOS!
AWESOME! They had a full blown taco shop inside. They were soooooo goood!! hehehe...
IGGY's BAR & MARRIOT HOTEL!
I was surprised to find out that Iggy's was the people financing the event. If you noticed, all the bartenders had the Iggy's uniform, and all the Food Staff had the MARRIOT uniforms.
The Line To Cross Back....
SUCKED! Over two hours just to cross back at 3pm. Ouch! That sucked!
Overall... FREAKING AWESOME! I was dancing non-stop, and I was so happy to see friends from all over Mexico, and the US there. I wasn't expecting to see anyone I knew except TA's but I was wrong! hehehe AWESOME TIMES! |
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| TSG |
| You forgot to mention that you got to sleep with 2 hot chicas in your hotel room! :tongue2 |
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