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Redlining/peaking (pg. 2)
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| RJT |
Someone needs to send this thread, and the countless others like it, out to every "Sound Engineer," big name DJ, or tech guy employed by 90% of mega clubs that exist (at least in the states.).
Every night I'm out (whether I'm the one playing or not), by half an hour into the first opener, we're already hitting reds - By the end of the night, the mixer is usually so deep in the red it hurts; And this is even when guys like Lawler, Sasha, G&D, A&B, Dekay, etc. are playing, not some random yokels.
I guess all I'm trying to say is that it's nice to have threads like these where we say "DON'T DO THIS!" but in all honesty, when you're playing out in a big club, you work within the confines of the system you're playing on.  |
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| Trogdor |
| quote: | Originally posted by DOOMBOT
My biggest gripe about pioneer mixers, and I actually noticed it with A&H mixers too, is that you sometimes don't even get a signal on the meter unless the bass is turned up on the knob |
Maybe, but not with the Xone:92. You also have the option of pre or post eq cueing, so you can at least match the levels by listening in your headphones. |
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| farris |
As been said before also depends on which mixer. The Pio's (500 and 600) would start to distort the minute you hit red. Don't know about the newer Pio's though. A&H have an additional headroom of 18dB if I remember well on top of the red before they start to distort.
Anyway, best is to just stay in the green :)
- farris |
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| starboy |
| Ive noticed that the djm 600 & 500 react well in the red, about two bars up. My nuo 2 however doesn't.. it depends on the mixer |
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| Danila |
| Its been kind of common sense for me not to redline. It is infact red for a reason and sound can get distorted if its way up there. |
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| Clovis |
| quote: | Originally posted by starboy
Ive noticed that the djm 600 & 500 react well in the red, about two bars up. My nuo 2 however doesn't.. it depends on the mixer |
Two bars up seems to be the sweet spot for them, but we were at the end of the red, I was trying to keep it from maxing out at the top.
If a good system is setup well, like one I played on at a rave a few weeks ago, then your VU meter on the mixer should reflect exactly the same as the VU meters on the amps...thats when you're getting the loudest possible output at the best quality. |
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| Clovis |
| quote: | Originally posted by RJT
Someone needs to send this thread, and the countless others like it, out to every "Sound Engineer," big name DJ, or tech guy employed by 90% of mega clubs that exist (at least in the states.).
Every night I'm out (whether I'm the one playing or not), by half an hour into the first opener, we're already hitting reds - By the end of the night, the mixer is usually so deep in the red it hurts; And this is even when guys like Lawler, Sasha, G&D, A&B, Dekay, etc. are playing, not some random yokels.
I guess all I'm trying to say is that it's nice to have threads like these where we say "DON'T DO THIS!" but in all honesty, when you're playing out in a big club, you work within the confines of the system you're playing on. |
I saw Andy Moor break monitors because he was so far in the red on a pioneer 600. I dont understand why anyone would want to push it so high for the sake of "louder" when all its gonna do is make the sound crap.
Its weird to me the number of people who think this is an okay practice...you'd think most DJs/sound engineers would naturally be audiophiles with an ear for sound quality... |
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| Zild |
| Some DJs are very hard of hearing. |
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| Clovis |
| quote: | Originally posted by Zild
Some DJs are very hard of hearing. |
I wonder why :p |
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| ivanbee |
| quote: | Originally posted by Clovis
I saw Andy Moor break monitors because he was so far in the red on a pioneer 600. I dont understand why anyone would want to push it so high for the sake of "louder" when all its gonna do is make the sound crap.
Its weird to me the number of people who think this is an okay practice...you'd think most DJs/sound engineers would naturally be audiophiles with an ear for sound quality... |
i remember that nite...
and ya, i think it depends on how the sound system is set up because sometimes you can be in the red zone and it still sounds clear.
my rule of thumb is to stay in the green and allow ONE red block... |
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| Inertia |
depending on the mixer and the setup, even +2dB is OK, IMHO. it seems to be optimum for some mixers.
i just made good practice of keeping my levels even, since i started mixing on a mixer with no VUs, and i never had any idea about it, and then when i tried to record my first set, the levels were waaayyyy off. from that day, i try to keep my mix at 0dB, or at +2dB max. depends on the place as well, because if they've tuned it for 0, for god sakes, stay under.
reminds me of this club i saw in pictures, where you see Richie Hawtin, his 2 laptops, 3 tech12s, his modded mixer, a couple extra gadgets, and a piece of paper enclosed in plastic infront of the setup that read "Do NOT Mix in the RED!" |
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| Lunar Phase 7 |
| I've yet to see a mixer in a club not be in the red. |
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