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| Clovis |
...my new #1 enemy. I absolutely hate it. Theres a reason mixers have EQ lights with a GREEN and RED area...and that reason is pretty clear.
Keep everything in the green and turn up the damn amp. Thats what I do at home.
I hate people who peak constantly, it ruins the sound. |
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| jdat |
| but at the same time you have to realize the db scaling changes from one mixer to the next :p |
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| Tony Morello |
manufacturers specs are usually tuned to how the mixer will best perform
red is red for a reason, you start sending distorted audio to the amps
loud doesn't kill speakers, distorted kills speakers
if you want more volume, turn up the amp
any reputable place will inform you beforehand how loud you can go (usually a sound tech)
in that case go with the sound tech's advise because the system will be tuned to what the sound tech suggests, don't go louder, the system's limiters will kick in and wind up making it quieter |
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| Clovis |
| quote: | Originally posted by Tony Morello
manufacturers specs are usually tuned to how the mixer will best perform
red is red for a reason, you start sending distorted audio to the amps
loud doesn't kill speakers, distorted kills speakers
if you want more volume, turn up the amp
any reputable place will inform you beforehand how loud you can go (usually a sound tech)
in that case go with the sound tech's advise because the system will be tuned to what the sound tech suggests, don't go louder, the system's limiters will kick in and wind up making it quieter |
Or, in my case, they will tell you to turn it up without explaining how the amp works, thus making you redline completely, thus causing the mixer to cut out and stutter, while the amps stay in the green and have no issue blaring the distorted sound... :p
Yeah, I learned my lesson :/ |
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| Clovis |
| quote: | Originally posted by jdat
but at the same time you have to realize the db scaling changes from one mixer to the next :p |
Yeah but it doesnt really matter, the point is stay in the green cause they designed it that way for a reason. |
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| Trogdor |
| One thing I'll never understand about the older Pioneer mixers is that almost half of the channel meters are red. WTF? |
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| Pinokio |
| quote: | Originally posted by Tony Morello
manufacturers specs are usually tuned to how the mixer will best perform
red is red for a reason, you start sending distorted audio to the amps
loud doesn't kill speakers, distorted kills speakers
if you want more volume, turn up the amp
any reputable place will inform you beforehand how loud you can go (usually a sound tech)
in that case go with the sound tech's advise because the system will be tuned to what the sound tech suggests, don't go louder, the system's limiters will kick in and wind up making it quieter |
Sometimes when I mix after a DJ is playing, I will see the mixer is extremely in red, and when I ask the Sound Technician, he tells me don't worry, that he controls that somewhere else. |
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| BOOsTER |
| hehe...actually I think when someone redlines the mixer in the 1st place he sends distorded sound to the other parts of the signal chain too... |
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| DOOMBOT |
| quote: | Originally posted by Trogdor
One thing I'll never understand about the older Pioneer mixers is that almost half of the channel meters are red. WTF? |
My biggest gripe about pioneer mixers, and I actually noticed it with A&H mixers too, is that you sometimes don't even get a signal on the meter unless the bass is turned up on the knob. So when my EQs are down while bringing in a track I won't know where it reads on the meter until I bring in the bass. Sometimes at that point it could have been too much or not enough. So annoying. :whip: |
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| Ricky Tan |
I just bought a djm 800 yesterday. I have two Rokit 5's for monitors. The monitors are powered all the way up and the mixer volume is turned 3/4 all the way up. And the trim almost 1/2 on the channel's w/ one yellow bar. And digital in/out connections to the cdj 200's along with LNR? cables to the master for sound.
But it is barely loud enough to me to mix with. My previous djm 300 seemed way louder to me . I can posts pics in a few hrs, but does this seem normal or am I missing something on the mixers configuration?
thanks |
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| blacknoizybox |
| theoretically the loudest you can get in a mixer-to-PA chain is to have everything peak just or exactly at 0 db meaning the mixer sends the loudest undistorted signal possible, the amp picks up this signal and amplifies it to the PA system with the loudest undistorted sound level possible. So, as a conclusion, you should keep the mixer from clipping (going beyond 0 db) first place, then tune the PA amp accordingly :) thats my imho :) |
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| Tony Morello |
the warehouse (the afterhours club i play at)
runs it's pio 600 into the red 2 bars to get the full effect of the system
but that's how it's tuned
and it's a sound engineered rig |
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