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Obesity "epidemic": any solution? (pg. 6)
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| That poor people are obese more often than rich ones is not just a "theory," it's a fact. Why it occurs is what is debatable. |
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| lücid |
| quote: | Originally posted by EXTREMUM
I disagree with the whole Income/Social Class, and how Myra states it's relative to obesity. No disrepsect to Myra, but that's the most ridiculous theory I've heard all month, on TA. :o |
actually, it's not so ridiculous. here's some more reading for you knuckleheads...
http://www.sciencedaily.com/release...40105071229.htm
| quote: | Obesity in the United States is in part an economic issue, according to a review paper on the relationship between poverty and obesity published in the January 2004 edition of the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition. The article suggests that the very low cost of energy-dense foods may be linked to rising obesity rates.
"It's a question of money," Drewnowski said. "The reason healthier diets are beyond the reach of many people is that such diets cost more. On a per calorie basis, diets composed of whole grains, fish, and fresh vegetables and fruit are far more expensive than refined grains, added sugars and added fats. It's not a question of being sensible or silly when it comes to food choices, it's about being limited to those foods that you can afford."
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Obesity in the United States has become a social and economic issue that is resisting conventional medical approaches.
"Genetics and family history can predict whether you will become obese but then so can your ZIP code," Drewnowski said. "If poverty and obesity are truly linked, it will be a major challenge to stay poor and thin." |
http://www.statistics.gov.uk/STATBA...lnk=7447&More=Y
| quote: | | "Obesity is linked to social class, being more common among those in the routine or semi-routine occupational groups than the managerial and professional groups. The link is stronger among women. In 2001, 30 per cent of women in routine occupations were classified as obese compared with 16 per cent in higher managerial and professional occupations." |
s sake, just do a google search for "poverty obesity" and check out all the results that come up... or go to the grocery store and see how much the healthy food costs compared to the junk food. it's common sense, really. |
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| EXTREMUM |
Those articles are pure ignorance. |
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| Dj O'Callaghan |
| quote: | Originally posted by EXTREMUM
I disagree with the whole Income/Social Class, and how Myra states it's relative to obesity. No disrepsect to Myra, but that's the most ridiculous theory I've heard all month, on TA. :o
In addition, again...
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It depends really you get fat rich bastards and you get fat poor scrubbers.
In the Uk the North for an example is a more industrial area a bit poorer then the south. People in general eat more stodgy food due to manual labour etc, however the industries linked to them areas have died out but they eat the same stuff. However there is Skinny Northerners and fat Southerners etc.
But as I say tax them. Where people go wrong is their ing parents If you stuff your fat cakehole full of McDonalds in front of your kids what do you think they'll end up doing? It needs to start in Education, people need to be educated what's acceptable to eat what proportions and what food types. In return they need to be encouraged to excercise. |
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| EXTREMUM |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dj O'Callaghan
It depends really you get fat rich bastards and you get fat poor scrubbers.
In the Uk the North for an example is a more industrial area a bit poorer in the south. People in general eat more stodgy food due to manual labour etc, however the industries linked to them areas have died out but they eat the same stuff. However there is Skinny Northerners and fat Southerners etc.
But as I say tax them. Where people go wrong is their ing parents If you stuff your fat cakehole full of McDonalds in front of your kids what do you think they'll end up doing? It needs to start in Education, people need to be educated what's acceptable to eat what proportions and what food types. In return they need to be encouraged to excercise. |
| quote: | Originally posted by EXTREMUM
It's not about the money - it's about personal preference. Are you athletic, or a couchpotato? Do you watch what you eat, or do you eat carelessly, upon impulse?
Answer to Obesity: SELF-CONTROL.
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| lücid |
| quote: | Originally posted by EXTREMUM
Those articles are pure ignorance. |
you're free to believe whatever you want to believe, but the facts are there for you. :) |
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| Dj O'Callaghan |
Do you know what ing seriously annoys me with some fat people.
When they have to travel around on one them scooter mobility things which old people use. I work near a busy shopping centre and see no ends of blatently obese people using them, It's hardly like their cripples, I feel like ripping them out of them and making them walk. |
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| EXTREMUM |
Wow, this thread has turned into the direction of shear shallowness. I'm done here.
PS - I'm 5'8" 3/4 @ 165lbs. I'm not obese. |
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| RJT |
| quote: | Originally posted by EXTREMUM
Wow, this thread has turned into the direction of shear shallowness. I'm done here. |
You're the one spearheading the charge - The complete ignorance you've displayed in here, and utter faux-intellectual rubbish you spew forth is absolutely ing ridiculous. You haven't a clue m8 - you shouldn't try to argue when you know you're wrong. |
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| Lunar Phase 7 |
| quote: | Originally posted by tubularbills
one solution.
put the ing fork down. |
LOL + 1. |
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| Lilith |
950,000 people in the US will die every year from cardi-vascular related illnesses.
About 2/3rds of those are preventable and it's because people eat, not just too much food, but too much sugar in what they eat along with the fact that dietary information is fairly bad.
But you say, 'oh Lilith, everyone knows sugar is bad' and people go out of their way to avoid the things with sugar in them, well...
See this is where we get into the murky area of what 'is' a sugar.
Long and short of it, I go to the US and get sick from sugar in everything, so I did some looking around-
Sugar as in cane and beet sugar is fairly clearly labelled on most commodities but whats a little less obvious is the use of fructose.
Fructose's are sweeteners and of particular note is the high fructose corn syrups which are sometimes labelled as a "HFCS" and this stuff was quite happily it seems to be dumped in virtually everything that was a processed food and some where I never expected it like milk. It's basically sugar, just with a different name for all effects and purposes but it does get converted into fatty acids at a greater rate from memory.
Bit more digging around and it came down to either starving or looking for something organic and expensive to substitute into what I'd normally eat and that wasnt easy either. A lot of what has 'natural' on the label can have HFCS added to it without violating any local laws there and this is where it started getting kind of murky and worrisome as I was reduced to fruit, some kinds of bread and small amounts of meat.
Theres a general preference in the US to use a HFCS over a cane sugar because of the agricultural policy of the government, sugar in fairly much any country you can name is always a heavily subsidised commodity to support the people growing it. So I wasnt terribly suprised to find a lot of it wandering around, the main provider of such things like processed farm produce, (flour and things like HFCS) is a company called Archer Daniels Midland which I was passingly familiar with from commodities trading.
This is kind of interesting too-
http://www.newsmeat.com/ceo_politic...len_Andreas.php
Seems to keep a lot of politicians in his good books, which in turn seems to pay off in the long run because they allow you to sell products in an environment where laws are favourable to you selling a lot of them.
"Interesting..."
(Damn, politicians are cheap, I'm going to buy me one as a pet! $5000 a year and maybe he'll even mow my lawns, wash the car and dance for my plea... eew no maybe not that last one)
Would it be too presumptuous for me to say, a great deal of poor nutrition stems back to governments allowing companies to produce food which has added ingrediants that arent healthy to the population in such large amounts?
I dont think so, seeing as sugars and salts get labelled as being the prime evils of heart disease, obesity and other diseases like diabetes. It's also a very different version of what I generally used to take for granted as being 'natural' as well. Change the label and it ceases to be as demonised.
Course, this wasnt as interesting it seems to most people as religous fanatics in foreign countries blowing people up, so my topic died. :) |
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| Caela |
| I work at a locally made chocolate shop...we sell chocolate for $45/lb and truffles for $1.95 each. RIP. OFF. It pisses the out of me when rich fatasses come in and spend $300 on chocolate. I think we should refuse sale. |
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